The Dubois Rebuild

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Scissors, Nov 29, 2020.


  1. Scissors

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    Would he benefit from going up and working with McCracken alongside Joshua? He done a great job with early Joshua.
     
  2. neverheardofher

    neverheardofher Active Member Full Member

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    Hopefully Dubois' confidence isn't shot after that loss and injury.
    Had a feeling his Orbital was done when he touched his eye before going down. Bad injury to get.
    Was a decent fight though and look forward to see where both of them go from here.
     
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  3. N17

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    The rebuild should start with a trip to the Wizard Of Oz.. Tin Man style, get himself a heart.


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  4. Murderers' Row

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    He's a young lad, I can't help but feel a tad sorry for him.
     
  5. Scissors

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    I jumped on him straight away but I regret it. He is a young lad and he was let down badly by Warren and his corner.

    Warren has pushed him so quickly because he wanted his own Anthony Joshua. You can’t match him against people who don’t hit back and then throw him in with the juggernaut. This is why I predicted Joyce to win pre fight.

    The corner knew he didn’t want to be in there but they kept whispering to him and trying to gee him up to stay in he fight.

    He’s been let down by the people around him. Straight after the fight Warren is talking rematch?! Really?! **** me. He’s just shown disparities in levels and you want to do it again and end his career. He needs building properly against tough fighters who will punch back but not too hard. He needs a few 10/12 rounders. He needs a Joshua v Ruiz 2 performance to show he can switch it up and he’s not a one trick power pony.
     
  6. lepinthehood

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    its all whats wrong with boxing when a beaten young hype job has to start all over again and think that will be effective for his development.
     
  7. PaddyGarcia

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    Get my man Sokolowski in there for the first return fight. Then go from there.
     
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  8. destruction

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    I would put him in with Nick Webb, Kash Ali, Simon Vallily or Dominic Akinlade domestically to begin with as a confidence booster.

    Then some fights against European journeymen.

    Then he should be facing durable European fighters like Rudenko, Hammer.

    He needs a new trainer, he needs to learn how to fight off the back foot and win a fight without just blasting the other guy out.
     
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  9. Who_Necks

    Who_Necks David Price's Big Suit Full Member

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    Go to Adam Boooooth and get David Haye in as manger and move to Fast Car. That way young Daniel will be a PPV fighter even though he has never and will never be an Elite fighter.
    I really thought DDD was the real deal but you won't be elite if you take a knee and take the count.
     
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  10. Holler

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    That sounds like a good plan.

    The problem is the conflict between the commercial demands and the sporting ones. BT Sport and Queensberry want big fights to drive subscriptions and PPV revenue. With hindsight, Daniel, whilst hopefully well recompensed, has been the victim of a rush to take advantage of the current golden age of UK HW boxing. He needed to be doing what @destruction outlines above over the next two years. Instead he's been pushed too fast too soon. Once he's recovered, presuming he's carrying on, they need a new narrative and a plan for him headlining their non ppv shows.
     
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  11. Unforgiven

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    It's strange seeing people saying Warren pushed him too quickly.
    The last 18 months people have been complaining that he's been matched too cautiously. Everyone was pleased that he'd been matched with Joyce and most of you here picked him to win.
     
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  12. Holler

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    I'll hold my hand up to thinking he'd win, I was more thinking of Joyce's drawbacks though rather than having DDD as the next Ali. I'd actually draw a distinction between offering an opinion as a boxing fan that wants to see good fights and looking at things from a boxer's perspective of wanting to get the most from his career.

    When Dubois fought Johnson it was clear that he had little to no idea how to mix things up. He never really looked like getting KP out of there and that should've told his trainers something about his level and what needed to happen.

    In Warren's defence I'd also say that you have to take risks sometimes. The Ruiz JR defeat knocked AJ's timetable and opened up this chance at prising the WBO belt away. That could in turn lead to countless riches if the undisputed title was up for grabs with the winner of Fury v AJ. So maybe everyone involved decided to take that risk and for DDD it's not paid off?
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Yes. I think it was a fair match to make. Everyone did. It's a fight that made sense.
    It is strange seeing people saying Warren rushed his prospect, since the knock on Warren for decades is that he does the opposite.

    Besides, Dubois became BRITISH CHAMPION when he beat Nathan Gorman, who was quite well regarded too.
    A British champion should be a good fighter, I reckon, and prepared to take on the best from this land.
     
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  14. Oreet Cha!

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    Would, as a 1st or 2nd fight back, Dubois v Price make any sense?

    Or is this even seen as too risky?

    I can see both points of view here.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    If he can't beat Price comfortably, even coming off this loss, he might as well retire.
    If he can't beat Price comfortably he's finished.

    Price should be retired anyway. Years ago.
     
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