The elephant in the room that all Canelo fans are ignoring

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  1. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    not only doesn't he have Triple G's power, he doesn't have his boxing skills, training regimen, or resume full of annihilated middleweights. i can't wait to see Canelo get flustered after he realizes he can't even cope with the jab, much less what else is coming for him.
     
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  2. Cross of Iron

    Cross of Iron Active Member Full Member

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    I see a TKO win for Golovkin probably later rounds but an early stoppage isn't out of the question . Canelo is made for Golovkin's style .
     
  3. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    if jacobs couldnt hurt ggg, canelo isnt.
     
  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Alvarez is planing on running, using fast pitty pat punches that wouldn't hurt a flea, he wants to survive so Oscar's judges can give him a decision......................remember, Alvarez has the judges, referee, boxing commission, a liar by the name of Bob Bennett, so what would you do? What happens when Alvarez has to take a rest on the ropes like he usually does? He is much smaller than Jacobs, not as good a boxer, not as hard a puncher, Jacobs landed his best punch on Golovkin and Golovkin didn't even blink! Golovkin landed on Jacobs and knocked him down, later in the fight Golovkin staggered Jacobs with a power jab and the end of the round which saved him................Jacobs is 6 foot 1 inches tall and was a cruiserweight that night, refused the IBF title because he would not weigh-in the day for the fight.............................Jacobs can run, move faster than Alvarez...................I think Golovkin will knock Alvarez out, but Oscar's referee will try to protect Alvarez, not to mention the judges and referee.....................Bob Bennett will lie live on HBO. I hope this fight will be on the level, the fight is PPV and will cost #80 dollars, it has an undercard that stinks! So the main fight had better be on the level, unlike Kovalev/Ward...............or Pac/Horn...............
     
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  5. velagod

    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Matthew Hatton actually said that brook hits harder.
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I would agree, but he's punching up a weight class here. So if his power was an " 8 " out of ten at welter weight, and a " 7.5" out of the at Jr. Middle weight it might only be a " 6.5 " out of ten at middle weight.

    Not enough to hurt the iron chinned GGG with one or two big shots.

    I think the story of this fight will be how easily GGG lands his jab and power punches. GGG really has a nice jab. Not an all time great jab at middle weight, but clearly a very good one!

    Jacobs and Brook were fast elusive types, exactly the type that causes an aging fighter fits. Canelo really isn't elusive.
     
  7. lencoreastside

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    I would say GGG's jab IS an all time great jab......
     
  8. Mendoza

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    I'd have to see a list of ATG jabs at middle weight. Better than Jones or Nunn? Better than Hearns?
     
  9. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well That's the truth of it but for some reason cause Canelo has bulked up then think he's gonna have KO power.
    Round 6 GGG gonna force the stoppage
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have a question. When Hagler fought Hearns, they had some common opponents. Geraldo,Duran and others, so we could see Hearns knocked out guys sooner... And we had opinions from Duran who said Hearns punched harder, but he thought Hagler would win... Are there any common opponents for GGG and Canelo? I would love to see what that person says about power comparison. I remember when they asked Juan Roldan. who punches harder, Hearns or Hagler he said immediately Hearns.. So the fighters know.
     
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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Jacobs tamed Golovkins pressure with feather dusting cuffing shots. Canelo will hit GGG clean with power shots as he comes in. He's fully capable of hurting him.
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah as I said I don't doubt he did say that. However, in the interview I watched the other day he said Canelo hit him the hardest he's ever been hit.

    This is the interview.

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  13. Nay_Sayer

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    Jacobs did hurt Bumlovkin. He respected Jacobs' power...
     
  14. Nay_Sayer

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    Bumlovkin has a good jab. Great or ATG jab? No. Guys with a great jab could hurt you or severely disrupt your rhythm with it. Guys like Holmes, de la Hoya, Quartey whose jabs were weapons in their own right. A hard stinging jab with snap, speed and power. Bumlovkin doesn't have that..
     
  15. Serge

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    They don't share any common opponents but there are some guys that have sparred them both. I know Gilberto Ramirez has sparred Canelo and I'm sure I remember reading he's sparred GGG too. So has David Benavidez. Well Benavidez said in an interview earlier on in the year that he was heading up to Canelo's camp to spar him.

    Hugo Centeno, Jr has sparred both of them.

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    I haven't heard what Benavidez said regarding sparring Canelo but this is what he had to say about his experience sharing a ring with GGG.

    'SANTA MONICA, Calif. – Upstairs at the Wild Card West Gym on Tuesday afternoon, Gennady “GGG” Golovkin held a print media sit-down before working out for the cameras downstairs.

    Golovkin (36-0, 33 knockouts) is looking to defend his IBF, WBA and WBC middleweight titles against Daniel Jacobs (32-1, 29 KOs) on March 18 (HBO Pay-Per-View), and while there was plenty of discussion about the matchup, his return to Madison Square Garden in New York City, and, of course, Canelo Alvarez, there was really good insight when it came to his preparation.

    Abel Sanchez, who was sitting next to his protege, was asked by a reporter about the sparring Golovkin had with David Benavidez, a 20-year-old super middleweight prospect.

    “Great,” Sanchez said slowly and emphatically with his eyebrows raised, seemingly glad the question was asked. “David is, as they say in baseball, a five-tool star. He’s not quite at the level of Golovkin yet but he will be soon. He’s a very, very good fighter and he’s given us great rounds.”

    Sanchez then admitted it wasn’t the first time Benavidez had sparred with Golovkin.

    “We saw him five years ago. He was 15 years old and he wanted to spar with Gennady. We allowed him, and he actually held his own. He didn’t do bad. He’s completely different now, obviously. Not only being a nice young man, he’s a hell of a fighter.”

    Since day one of this training camp, Benavidez has been up at “The Summit Gym” in Big Bear, California, with Team GGG – and he was also waiting downstairs to speak with RingTV.com once Golovkin kicked everyone out of the sit-down so he could change into his trunks.

    “When I first met him, I didn’t know who he was,” recalled Benavidez about sparring with Golovkin five years ago. “It was my first time being in Big Bear and my dad told me we were gonna spar this dude right here. I remember looking across the ring; he was getting ready, and he just gave me this penetrating look. It was horrifying, to be honest with you.”

    Considering Golovkin would’ve been nearing 30, Benavidez wasn’t afraid to admit he was intimidated, albeit understandably, but he also recalled doing well under the circumstances. “I held my own ground. Imagine being 15 and sparring Golovkin. His power was amazing, but like I said, I held my ground and I learned a lot from it.”

    Benavidez (17-0, 16 KOs), who turned professional a few months before his 17th birthday, was brought into Golovkin’s camp for sparring along with John and Julian Jackson – sons of Julius “The Hawk” Jackson – and KeAndrae Leatherwood, who will be facing Andy Lee on the Golovkin-Jacobs undercard.

    “I was invited again to spar him and I was really able to see where I’m at,” said Benavidez about what it’s been like returning to Big Bear. “It’s an honor sparring a great champion like Golovkin. He puts so much pressure. He’s so strong in there and it helps me think a little bit more, too, and I’m also able to push him a little more, too. It’s very great to be a part of this training camp.”

    Golovkin, from Karaganda, Kazakhstan, is renowned for his offensive pressure, most notably his ability to cut off the ring before suffocating opponents, but Benavidez revealed it’s much more than that.

    “There’s other things he does to set that up,” he said. “He just waits for that little exact moment to counter. He has a strong jab. He also likes to jab to the body a lot, and it gets you tired when you get so many jabs to the body. He cuts the ring off good. His overhand rights are good, and he’s been hitting me a little bit with those looping hooks hit at the top of the head. Those are really dangerous shots, too.”

    For a visual reference, Marco Antonio Rubio was knocked out by that shot in the second round of their 2014 match. Since then, Golovkin has knocked out five more to extend his KO streak to 23-straight. Benavidez’s scarred lip was another visual reference to the brute power Golovkin imposes.

    “Left hook to the body, without a doubt,” answered Benavidez to the question of what’s Golovkin’s best punch. “The way he sets it up is, he throws strong hooks upstairs and then as soon as you bring your guard up thinking another shot is gonna come to the head, he brings it down to the body. To see power-punchers like this, I’m able to learn off him everyday. The thing about him is that he follows all the way through with his punches. Like he’s trying to punch through a brick wall. It’s also his technique – the way he moves his feet. He’s always set perfectly for that big power shot.”

    Most recently, fighting on January 28, Benavidez knocked out Sherali Mamajonov in the second round on the Frampton-Santa Cruz II undercard, and coming off that impressive win, the experience of sparring Golovkin has been tremendous for his development.

    “I’m able to see how these tough fighters put pressure and how I deal with the pressure. He’s helped me to learn a lot for my my career.”

    Benavidez says he was never dropped to the canvas in any of these sparring sessions, but as for how he measured up competitively in them, Benavidez replied, “I feel like we’re doing really good. He’s a tough fighter and he has a great chin. That’s all I’m gonna say – we have great sparring sessions.”

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