The ESB Fitzsimmons Project

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  1. Mendoza

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    Good luck Gparter. Remember you have to believe in a style for it to work properly. I recomend you spar with a novice who isn't too fast for the demo.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Fitz stayed down for a 9 count,I have no opinion on it ,just repeating what Davis said.

    It would be interesting to get to the bottom of the assertion that Fitz deliberateldy left himself open to the ko ,because his hands were ruined ,and he had nothing left to fight with.

    Lou Houseman ,a Chicago sports writer and Malachy Hogan a trainer both saw the Fitz Jeffries 2nd fight, and stated that Jefffries took more punishment than Willard at Reno.

    Confirmation of this comes from Hype Igoe and Edgar Lee Masters,Igoe was a sportswriter ,and Masters ,a Poet ,Biographer and Boxing Historian.
     
  3. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One thing about the Fitz Jeffries fight that is often forgotten, is that under modern rules, Fitz almost certainly would have got the TKO due to the injuries sustained by Jeffries. Now that would have changed the course of history!
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    thanks.

    Theres alot of novixes on my gym so should be easy enough to get one of them to help.

    Was practising that switch double left hook and it is very effective even in modern rulesets
     
  5. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    just caught the last few post`s GPater i will start from the beggining of this thread tomorrow what you are doing sounds interesting hope you post your sparring and if you can spar a lefty then you can compare the effectiveness of our new style against the two stances
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Were trying to recreate the style of Bob Fitzsimmons to make people aware of it and to help people understand the style and the thinking behind it by a series of articles and/or videos

    Its CT's brilliant idea and im helping him out
     
  7. Mr Butt

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    good luck to both of you :good
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    well need it.

    its a hard ask, as theres not aot of footage and his style draws alot from Karate that i have never done
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    It would be an interesting sight to see somebody dodging modern punches and countering them using 1890's technique. Certainly put things into perspective.

    Incidentally, the Dempsey manual I sent you would be a good supplement to Fitzsimmons as far as power-generation technique goes. Fitz didn't move a lot like Dempsey, but the principles of hard punching are fairly similar (especially the drop-step).

    Good to know. :good

    On a somewhat related note, I've been experimenting/fooling around a little with Fitzsimmons' style recently and it's actually pretty easy to throw Savate and Muay Thai kicks from Fitz's stance. His left hook to the body (as a counter to the jab) also segways nicely into a reverse hip throw from one of the late 19th century manuals that looks similar to this:

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  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Feel free to join us if you're interested. :D

    After a few weeks' experimentation, I/we could probably draw up a short beginners' manual with a couple of the basic principles and punches.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    nice one CT so this will help all sorts of combat sports

    we'll end up revolutionising combat sport haha

    I havent had time to check that Dempsey manuel yet but ill have a squint tommorow. and maybe practise afew things with Karate Sean if we get time in the gym.
     
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Why, thank you. :D
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    a small beginners guide would be good to see were singing off the same hyme sheet so to speak. Ill have time this weekend to really get into thisproject.

    credit where its due

    right im off for the night
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    It would definitely help the MMA people, since the gloves Fitz used were about the same size as theirs.

    I can see it now: Fitz-Kwon-Do schools springing up all over the country...


    It's a nifty little manual, for modern boxing as well as older styles. It's better at breaking down how to generate punching power than any manual I've ever seen.
     
  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    * Thread Necromancy *

    Not too much progress recently (classes just started again), but I'll be able to continue experimenting in a couple weeks. I've also done a little bit of work applying Dempsey's power-punching theories to Fitz's stuff. The two seem to go together reasonably well and fill in the gaps of Fitz's manual.