***The ESB Saturday Club***

He said Pacquiao is an ordinary fighter? Did he mean it that way? Did he mean Pacquiao is just like any other fighter (in the sense that he's human and has flaws....athletes say things like this all the time) and he would approach him like everyone else or did he mean that he was ordinary as in nothing special as in his skills and attributes aren't that great? If it's the latter, I hope he doesn't believe that.

 

Pac's very ordinary in every department that doesn't recquire speed, timing and power. Without his speed, even with his great timing and power, he'd be a B- level fighter. I believe that's what the guy meant, remember, he's not educated, they take these kids from a young age and make spartans out of them.

Pac is special due to intangibles, otherwise he's ordinary.

Special guys like Calzaghe, Mayweather etc. have awesome skills to fall back on, if that's reasonable to say.

 

Pac's skills are certainly not great, anybody who thinks that ought to watch for skill and not his all around deal. His speed and timing is what is crazy and makes him effective, those are intangibles. Skill-wise, he's a wreck.

 

He isn't a wreck skill wise. He just isn't great technically. But his physical attributes combined with his skill set make him anything but ordinary. Certainly not a B- fighter.

BTW, I view timing as a skill. Or rather, it depends on the fighter and how his timing is used.

 

He's an A fighter, I said without his speed, he'd be a B- fighter, even with his power and timing. His intangibles make him elite and make him dangerous.

Timing is NOT a skill, it's a physical attribute, accuracy is a skill, you learn that. Ask around if you don't believe me on the subject of timing, it's as natural as natural speed and power.

 

I don't believe he would be B level without his speed either, because of his tenacity and stamina.

Timing can be improved and learned through studying of styles and nuances of those styles which gives insight on when and where to place a punch. Timing can be messed up by an opponent changing his gameplan, making him harder to time. Accuracy can be effected in much the same way. Your speed and power remain constant regardless of your opponents.

 

Remember Gamboa said he only saw Pac-Jmm II, and had no previous knowledge of either fighter.

 

Where will Gamboa place in the division off a win tonight? Where would Jiminez rate off an upset?

How about the winner of Mijares-Munoz? Especially if Munoz wins....

 

Some thoughts in response.

- A B- fighter doesn't crucify a C+ fighter like Gamboa did Jimenez, save for a temple shot KD that was all of 2 seconds. It was quite a decent performance all in all, he needs defensive work no doubt, but the fixes are very minor and he does have pretty good power, Jimenez had never been down and obviously has a pretty good chin. With Gamboa's physical strength, speed, stamina, precision, timing and reflexes, some tactical and defensive fixes aren't a big deal. I think you're jumping the gun on the negative Gamboa thoughts like we jumped the gun on pro-Gamboa thoughts.

- Mijares needs defensive work?

Hell, I thought I was watching him make Munoz miss 5-6 shots in a row and landing beautiful crisp counter shots, he gets hit some, but that's because he throws at such a high volume and fights inside and out, same with Gamboa really.

If Mayweather threw 100 punches a round, he'd get tagged up more than he did.

Plus, he dominated Munoz 11 rounds to 1, yet got another 'SD', it's a shame. He should beat Montiel easily.