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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, May 16, 2008.


  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I scored Mijares v. Munoz 113-109 - Mijares took too many rounds off, no throwing enough. He gets tired sometimes and just trades, getting hit. Not what I expect from an elite level fighter.

    About Jimenez...he didn't have power and he wasn't a counterpuncher. Solid C+ level, though, I thought. I think he was made for Gamboa, though, making him look good. Gamboa didn't have to respect or fear any part of Jimenez' game, so he fought with impunity. On the basis of his performances so far, it would be very unfair to call Gamboa as much as a B level fighter. His speed and reflexes are maybe even A level...nothing else is. His defence is less than C level. Gamboa's not going to get much better; he's pretty one dimensional. He'll get beaten by B or B+ pressure fighters with power and defence and especially by B or B+ counterpunchers with power and defence, I think. We'll see. He needs to change his attitude dramatically!
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    He wasn't tired at all, are we watching different fights here? And only by a 4 point margin for Mijares, this fight was scored very dominative by everyone I've talked to and aside from the scores, Munoz was beaten very badly and Mijares looked like he could go 15, it wasn't a close fight on the scores and it wasn't a close fight in the battle.

    Munoz is a B+ fighter, Mijares schooled him, what else does he have to do?:think

    Seriously, try to find a poster about that gave Munoz more than 2 rounds, most just gave him the 1st, then a middle round or a middle round even somewhere when he did take a round off.

    1 dimensional? He showed that he can do multiple things.

    He showed he can pressure, counter punch, fight inside, rough house inside with great strength(I hope you noticed his strength was very evident), swarm etc.

    He just needs to develop tacticality, which comes from more training and more experience, then he'll know where and when to use all of his strengths , Guzman used to be the same way as Gamboa, but has since become a more tactically sound fighter with his physical gifts.

    Here's the kicker, Gamboa's got better reflexes and power than Guzman, so the high hopes placed on him are still very much in tact and the defence you want to see realistically is just minor adjustments, I'm serious, nothing to worry about.

    And his speed and reflexes are A+ level, they are absurd, he's the quickest guy in boxing bar none.
     
  3. El Matador

    El Matador Your Boxing Authority Full Member

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    Looks like Malignaggi-N'dou is about to start- I'm picking Malignaggi, for the record.

    I think it'll look very similiar to their first fight.

    But N'dou is a strong guy, he isn't a pushover. Malignaggi's going to have to be as sharp, if not sharper, then he was during their first outing.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The thing about pro boxing is that you need to have a bit of everything to make it against the best time after time. No good being A level in some bits and C level in others...You need to be at least B level at everything to make it. Not sure he'll ever be B level tactically and defence wise. I don't think he'll have the composure to make it either. We'll see. Hope he can learn a lot from the fight against the good journeyman.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I just don't know where you are getting these idea's though, no disrespect of course.

    But he did show great composure and relaxation against Jimenez, after getting KD'd he adjusted a little and then came back stronger and dominated him until the end.

    I used Guzman as an example of an improved defence over time, he used to war with his speed and reflexes just like Gamboa's been set to do lately. Very similiar fighters.

    Tacticality comes with experience, the pro games are different from the ams by a long shot. He's got some to learn, but his assetts are as top as you'd want them.

    I know a gem when I see one. Spotted Mijares immediatley, for example and he's just about to become the undisputed champ here in a very good division. So I think when we give guys like Bute the total benefit of the doubt despite flaws and others, like Pavlik, but then take down improving fighters like Mijares and Gamboa, who have much greater potential, is not right.
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    yeah, he's a great prospect, but there's something about him that isn't kosher - his attitude. He's also not 21! I hope he can change, but I don't suppose he can change that much at 26. We'll see.
     
  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    For another example, Guzman at 27 was a similiar status. Guzman's better defence use of tacticality came in the last 3 years.

    Though, let me clarify, at 122 Guzzy was a beast. At 126, against that smaller opposition, Gamboa would be a beast even with no improvements. John, Linares and the lot just can't compete with his speed and ferocity.

    BUT, the bigger guys at 130-135 are mostly elite fighters, so he's got his work cut out for him.
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Gamboa doesn't have anywhere near the power Guzman had at the lower weights. Guzman's defence...not sure how it was then, but sure as hell it's very good now! Guzman is flashy and cocky...but he doesn't have that bad an attitude!
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I won't be crying if Malignaggi falls down, that's for sure! What a clown!:patsch
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I scored it 113-111 N'dou.

    A draw is fine, I guess...
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Dave Parris...judging to form...:barf ...disgrace!:-(

    I agree with the English judge who gave it by 1 to N'dou.
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I scored it a draw, personally, terrible fight. I wasn't going to be the least bit annoyed if N'dou was announced the winner.
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Draw is fine with me; even PM by one point is acceptable. Dave Parris is the scum of the earth though. Very bad fight. If PM cannot beat N'dou convincingly and gets tagged time and time again...he's not going anywhere...

    He got two gifts in a row now....:(
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I had it 118-110 Hatton.

    Good comeback performance after an uncertain start from Hatton. Just short of a B+ performance, though, I thought; he was getting hit by hooks much too much. I have the feeling Hatton's best days are behind him, unfortunately. Well done Lazcano for making a good fight of it.:good

    Still, the best LWW of the night...by miles.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Anyway, that's me off for another week! :hi:

    Thanks for the chat, everyone!:thumbsup