The evolution of Manny Pacquiao. Manny is better today than his featherweight days

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  1. Getrcarzon

    Getrcarzon Member Full Member

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    You can see a change in the way Pacquiao fights starting with his de la Hoya fight. He matures as a complete boxer-puncher. Manny has actually a very underrated boxer and has good defense, with a mixture of upper body movement, footwork and deflecting incoming shots with his gloves.

    The De La Hoya fight marks the start of a huge improvement by Roach and Pacquiao. In and out, side to side, flurry of combos, spinning, punch variety. He is a much more complete fighter now. He's a great counter puncher too. Also, something that becomes obvious by watching all his later fights, is how much of a rhythm fighter he's become. He used to stutter step, throw a little hesitation in his forward movement and bomb forward with the straight left, over and over and over again.

    Yesterday I watched every fight of Pac's starting with De La Hoya. The improvement continues. Yes, it is true he has lost a touch physically, after all, he's 36 years old, but makes up for it immensely with a better game.

    The Pacquiao of today is a tougher challenge for Floyd than the Pacquiao of 5-6 years ago. This weekend, or whenever you have about 6 hours of free time, watch Pacquiao's fights in succession, starting with Hoya. Then watch a few Pacquiao fights at the lower weights. You will easily see this Pacquiao as a much bigger threat to Floyd.

    I at one point in time thought floyd would easily beat Manny. As a matter of fact, I made a few posts about it. Now I'm not so sure. I think Mannys left hands to the body will be a punch Floyd has to be extra careful about. When Floyd shells up, it will be the left straight and cross from Manny. Basically, Floyd does not just have to worry about mannys left. His punch variety is awesome now.

    I think there could be money to be made by betting on Pacquiao.
     
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  2. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    most us know pac is better now than years past. but he still gets stuc.k in that stutter step right paw right paw straight left..

    that is still his go to move and expect it v Floyd many times until Floyd times in then pac will have to change his plan. its a good fight with 2 great fighters that will be the best they can be on 5.2.15

    lots of pac fans are starting to worrying uncontrollably, they claim he is shot so IF he does lose they claimed he was shot. I never heard anything close to him being shot prior this fight being announced. yes weird
     
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  3. Getrcarzon

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    Yeah he's defnitely not shot! It's going to be a great contrast in styles.
     
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  4. Staminakills

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    agreed
     
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  5. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatever Pacquiao has lost in athleticism, he has replaced with ring intelligence. This could be seen as an upgrade for some.

    For Mayweather, it's not as easy. Whatever Mayweather loses in athleticism, it's a true loss because he's already the smartest boxer. How does he gain enough ring intelligence to displace the athleticism he lost when he's already so freaking smart?
     
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  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Both men have made the proper adjustments already IMO.
     
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  7. tinman

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    I disagree strongly.

    -At 122 he had 10 title fights he stopped 9 opponents
    -At 126 he stopped Prime Barrera
    -At 130 he lost a close decision to Prime Morales
    -At 126 and 130 he beat prime Marquez (judges error)

    His fight with Cotto at Welterweight gets way too much praise. First of all Barrera/Marquez/Morales>Cotto. Second, Manny was forced to the ropes and had to be defensive at times. Third he took off the gas late in the fight. His stamina was noticeably better in the lower weights.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Really shocking how prevalent that sequence is even now in his game. Roach must either not mind it or has given up the ghost on deprogramming it from Pac's mind, writing it off as less counterproductive than wasting camp time arguing over it would be. :conf
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    When that sequence knocks Marco Antonio Barrera squarely on his ass in the 2nd round keep doing it.
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    1) Twelve years ago? :think

    "...even now..."

    2) It was in round three.

    3) That wasn't Manny's pawing double right jab that is a carryover lazy habit from even before he linked up with Roach (what SK and I are referring to) - it was a proper 1-2.
     
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  11. Getrcarzon

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    He has more stoppages at the lighter weights, yes, but developed a more complete game later in his career. Offensively AND defensively.
     
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  12. tinman

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    Pacquiao is still not an extremely skilled fighter. He doesn't cut the ring off very well. His defense pretty much amounts to guys running away from him or just Pacquiao putting up his hands to cover up.

    He's an offensive aggressive fighter. One who relies on power, speed and stamina. He's added some wrinkles to his game that are relatively new. That doesn't change the fact that he's a power, speed, stamina fighter.
     
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  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ok.
     
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  14. Getrcarzon

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    Right. He still has those attributes. Without them Manny isn't Manny. He's added depth to his over all boxing game.
     
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  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    In comparison to his days in the lower weights he does not.
     
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