The evolution of Manny Pacquiao. Manny is better today than his featherweight days

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  1. Getrcarzon

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    He's lost some, as I said in the OP. But makes up for it with better defense and punch variety. He's a better boxer today than he was. I don't think that can be argued. Hence why he's a tougher match up for Floyd today as opposed to 6 years ago. As I said in the OP.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's lost a ton of power and stamina.

    He's a better boxer today and you say that's not debatable? Well his resume at the lower weights is 10 times as strong.
     
  3. fruitpunch

    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacquiao's best win was Cotto for sure
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not even close. Cotto is not an ATG fighter. Cotto was the physically stronger fighter. He forced Manny to cover up. He pinned Manny on the ropes. Manny showed that he could gas late in fights.
     
  5. Getrcarzon

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    He hasn't lost a ton of power. He's fighting physically bigger men. Stamina? Yes. Power? No.

    He has big names at the lower weights, but he fought more predictably back then. He bulled through the storm of his opponents by determination, speed and a good chin. His ace in the hole was his left hand. Now opponents have a lot more to worry about. All you have to do is compare footage.

    Manny is a more complete boxer-puncher today than he was years ago. He throws from all angles, doesn't unintelligently Rush in over and over again no matter the success of his opponents, and mixes it up very well. He's better defensively today too.
     
  6. fruitpunch

    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto was a beast and a genuine welterweight

    Thats why he is Pacquiao's best win
     
  7. tinman

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    It doesn't matter how you do it. If it's with physicality, skill or heart. However it's done is irrelevant. Pacquiao was a vastly superior fighter in the lower weights. His accomplishments and resume in the lower weights dump all over his accomplishments at higher weights.
     
  8. Getrcarzon

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    It does matter, because the discussion is about Pacquiao's style vs. Mayweathers style in 2015.
     
  9. icarus1

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    pac's evolution is due to waning effect of his power at the higher weights. boxers with less power work a lot on their defense and and speed so they can win by points. pac evolved so he could fight and win majority of full 12 rounds unlike in the lower weights when his 1-2 punch combo is enough to make his win. the three mexican's gave pac a good experience as a fighter and it became more polished when he fought the big guys. pac and roach really made a lot of improvement along the way.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    All this makes sense. Pacquiao was a better fighter in the old days where he just physically overwhelmed people.
     
  11. Windigo

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    Double jab straight left is bread and ****ing butter for a southpaw. Why the **** do you re****s act like it's some bad combination. It took JMM 42 ****ing rounds and a trip to catch him after Manny had planted him multiple times with that combo.
     
  12. Windigo

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    Got to disagree with the OP. Manny turned thd corner in the 2nd Morals fight. That was when he started to see Manny the boxer.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You need to read more carefully. Pacquiao doesn't always throw a crisp double jab to set up his left cross.

    He often paws his right fist into the air very lightly, as though he were a maid ringing a dinner bell. It telegraphs his intentions with the left cross and creates a window for him to be countered while committed to his forward momentum in ways that he wouldn't be with the use of a feint instead.

    What he often does with his right when he gets lazy, what SK and I are pointing out, is neither a feint (without over-committing, nor engaging his feet in such a way that he can't hit the brakes when pulling the punch to calmly take aim with the left) nor a snappy right jab - but a pawing concession somewhere in the middle with none of the effectiveness of either. A wasted movement, and one that could land him in trouble.

    To clarify, what he nailed Barrera with early in their first encounter was a more textbook southpaw 1-2 lunging in after slap-parrying Barrerae's left jab and catching him before he could regroup, exploiting his speed edge and showing good reactive instincts. Not what is being referenced here.
     
  14. Windigo

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    Amd you are a dip. Where was the pawing feint on the kockout.

    It was a shoulder feint.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    "You need to read more carefully."