The exclusive 46-0-0-0, Competition Analysis

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    46-0-0-0 Opposition Analysis

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    Very few fighters in boxing history reached the perfect 46-0-0-0, an admirable achievement because its the result of hard work and sacrifices of the boxer & his handlers. However, regardless of how hard a time works to build a fighter, he eventually has to fight increasingly dangerous opponents, who themselves want to make history by halting the undefeated conquest. So this analysis will give us a statistical glimpse of who did they face in those 46 bouts?

    This simple competition analysis compares the total wins and ratio, to show the depth of competition for example 12-2 = 6-1, its helpful as an additional supplementary subjective value...which could be discussed in a negative or positive manner as some view it as more experience and others view it as more decline, hence its subjective value. All focus will be on the undisputed mathematical value that had an undeniable direct positive correlation with the boxer status

    In previous competition analysis lists, we seen rightfully talented boxers Top all the lists:
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    Radically Contrasted by longtime undefeated fighters who never became champions & sank perfectly in the extreme Bottom of the lists:
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    So please take note of this & accept this analysis as a mathematical tool to assess future undefeated fighters, putting more pressure on handlers to take more formidable opponents

    These lists were not meant to offend the fighters who faced poor competition to build undefeated records, its just an informative byte for future boxers & handlers who want to see their fighters undefeated...these lists remind them that not all undefeated records are the same :nono


    Just a few words to explain this list, hopefully you read this before you reply to my thread :conf

    Also for bitter folks who want to mix papers & trash all undefeated fighters...I say don't be bitter...if its easy I dare you to equate it, if its so easy...everybody will reach 46-0-0-0 :deal

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    Wilder is the only fighter in boxing history to reach 31-0 (KO 31) doing it vs better competition than Wlad (who failed to reach 31-0) or Foreman

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    31-0-0 (KO 28 ) vs 428-150, 2.9-1 ratio, Bowe
    31-0-0 (KO 27 ) vs 466-181, 2.6-1 ratio, Mesi
    31-0-0 (KO 22 ) vs 405-162, 2.5-1 ratio, Holmes
    31-0-0 (KO 20 ) vs 665-268, 2.5-1 ratio, Nielsen
    31-0-0 (KO 31 ) vs 428-196, 2.2-1 ratio, Wilder
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    The list requirements straight forward:

    #1) Strict 28-0-0 record
    #2) Fought at least one of the 28 in the SMW limit

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    28-0-0 vs 482-134 competition, 3.6 ratio, Mccallum
    28-0-0 vs 474-147 competition, 3.2 ratio, Golovkin
    28-0-0 vs 552-170 competition, 3.2 ratio, Bute
    28-0-0 vs 611-204 competition, 3.0 ratio, Roy Jones
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    23-0 Welterweight list
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  2. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Joe Calzaghe first decade of his career level of competition hurt him, he reached 46-0-0-0 but with same ratio as Valuev. So the first decade opposition is one aspect that can't be ignored
     
  3. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Carlos Zarate feasted on lots of pro debuts

    437-130, 3.4-1 ratio still shows class

    His average opponents cycle was 9-2, 9-3, 9-2

    From pro debut to 46-0-0-0 :think
     
  4. eltirado

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    46-0-0-0 Opposition Analysis

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  5. leftleftright

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    Great data. Interested to see where Thurmond and Valero fall.

    Found Thurmond....
     
  6. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We should make a 27-0-0-0 list, but it will be too huge, so maybe including all fighters who fought one of their first 27 fights between 126-135, which is the 3 weight classes Edwin Valero fought at
     
  7. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    Does your analysis involve being on the receiving end of favorable decisions? These numbers don't mean a thing if you don't know how accurately the judges scored. I am all for math, have a master's degree in it, but you have sampling errors.
     
  8. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Judging falls in the subjective

    All subjective issues are irrelevant, since its purely numeric.

    For example The only way you can outdo Floyd is by going 46-0-0-0 vs 6.6-1 ratio, its very unlikely ~ 1/700,000 & if someone does manage to do that...I will give him credit for the 46-0-0-0 vs 6.6-1 regardless of how he achieved it. Its an amazing feat that requires an equally amazing effort

    Mayweather challenges you to outdo him, the stats vs opposition makes it much harder...so good luck :hellohi
     
  9. jas

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    loma dared in his first fight and now sadly he will never be a case study for your undefeated analysis :mad::boxer:x
     
  10. acie2g

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    You should do one of these on all the fighters to win titles in 5 or more division's, its some pretty great name's on that list it'd be interesting to see how they stack up.
     
  11. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I will make one, list the highest ratio 1-1-0-0 guys

    I admire Loma even more, knowing that it was a fair fight vs the hardest veteran pro champion possible
     
  12. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The analysis will be flawed if they don't have identical records...at the time frame of holding titles in 5 divisions
     
  13. Hookie

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    Calzaghe was good... but no person in their right mind would deny that he fough a lot of bums.

    Jimmy Wilde, Julio Cesar Chavez, Ricardo Lopez, even Brian Nielsen won more fights (before suffering their first loss). Buck Smith had one of the longest unbeaten streaks ever (he had already lost a few though). SRL went undefeated thru 90 fights bringing his record to 128-1-2 at one point (yes, he won his first 40 fights, lost then went 88-0-2).
     
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    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Oh yeah, can't forget Campas
     
  15. Hookie

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    You can make a case for Marvin Hagler being undefeated in 67 overall fights (won 52 by KO) and in 15 world title fights (won 12 by KO). Honestly, I think he should have just one loss, L12 Leonard (his last pro fight).

    Had he not been ripped off in his first World Title Fight... 3 more world title wins!

    You could also make a case that he was never dropped (he did suufer one but it was really a slip).