The Fab Four. 2017 Conversation

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Dec 6, 2017.


Page 3 of 5
  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,888
    3,036
    Dec 11, 2009
    We all know that there is a query with the handwraps. Whether there was a problem or not with the wraps there was no shame in losing to Margarito and Cotto came back and avenged that loss. Margarito beat Sergio Martinez who beat Pavlik who beat Taylor who beat Hopkins if you go down that logic.
    Cotto won many world title fights, took the 0 from many top fighters and won world titles in 4 weight classes. Thats nothing short of great when you look at the names Cotto beat -

    Mosely
    Margarito
    Quintana
    Corley
    Urkal
    Judah
    Malignaggi
    Torres
    Ndou
    Maussa
    Pinto
    Clottey
    Foreman
    Branco
    Martinez

    You could add a few more good names into that
     
    bailey, Dec 8, 2017
    bailey, Dec 8, 2017
    #31
  2. Phelps-Brady

    Phelps-Brady Slicker than Raspberry ripple banned Full Member

    1,531
    1,066
    Aug 24, 2017
    The incontinent fab four.. They only fought when they were wearing adult diapers & drooling cup a soups lol Mosley slurs more words than Sloth from the Goonies & PAC was a politician ha ha ha

    JMM, Morales, PAC, Barrera those were the 00s fab four.. Mosley's peers were Oscar, Forrest etc
     
    Phelps-Brady, Dec 8, 2017
    Phelps-Brady, Dec 8, 2017
    #32
    uppercut_to_the_body, Howitzer1888, OvidsExile and 1 other person like this.
  3. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,102
    5,686
    Feb 26, 2009
    he needed more than these names to be great. These barely make him hall of fame. Margarito he lost to more than he beat him. Martinez had a knee injury.. Judah. a very good fighter but inconsistent. Mosley was his best win but Mosley was on the backside of his career. I mean I am talking Mosley is his best win. It is not a great great resume for an all time great. How do you rate a person great. Can you match that person with anyone in the history of boxing and they could win.. And Cotto looks like he loses most of those.
     
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 8, 2017
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 8, 2017
    #33
    OvidsExile likes this.
  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,102
    5,686
    Feb 26, 2009
    the fab 4 of the 1980s were a rare bunch from different weights except for Ray and Tommy. But the stories were all great, and then add in Benitez who was in the record books early with his first title. He was the fab5 had he fought Hagler.
     
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 8, 2017
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 8, 2017
    #34
    jyeahfosho likes this.
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,888
    3,036
    Dec 11, 2009
    He did more than enough in my opinion. Obviously not yours. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
    Martinez had a bad knee but before Cotto took the 0 from several decent fighters.
    Do you not recall that there may be a query with the hand wraps in the Margarito fight? Or that Cotto beat Margarito in a return.
    Some felt Cotto deserved the nod against Canelo.
    I dont know if I think Mosely was his best win. There are several wins of Cottos that I struggle to put above the other.
    Undefeated Quintana was a good win
     
    bailey, Dec 8, 2017
    bailey, Dec 8, 2017
    #35
  6. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,776
    7,631
    Jul 30, 2012
    There's a perculiar irony that a group of wankers on this forum refer to themselves as the Fab 4 :D
     
    like a boss, Dec 8, 2017
    like a boss, Dec 8, 2017
    #36
  7. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,776
    7,631
    Jul 30, 2012
    There are some good attempts so far at identifying other Fab 4s since Hagler, Leonard, Hearns and Duran. But that we can't seem to nail it just reinforces what an era that was. One that I doubt will ever be repeated.
     
    like a boss, Dec 8, 2017
    like a boss, Dec 8, 2017
    #37
    jyeahfosho likes this.
  8. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

    23,723
    4,042
    Oct 13, 2010
    Its a shame Marquez and Morales never fought. That would have been a hell of a fight

    Marquez was avoided like the plague in his prime. Morales and Barrera got all the attention, but when Steward advised Hamed on who to fight he basically said anyone but Marquez
     
    Beouche, Dec 8, 2017
    Beouche, Dec 8, 2017
    #38
    jyeahfosho and bailey like this.
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,888
    3,036
    Dec 11, 2009
    YEah Marquez was great. He got his first opportunity against F Norwood who was a talented FW and I wondered how Marquez would comeback, but he did brilliantly
     
    bailey, Dec 9, 2017
    bailey, Dec 9, 2017
    #39
  10. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,102
    5,686
    Feb 26, 2009
    great is for guys who you can put against other eras. We know that Cotto would lose to most greats. Not great defense.. Good power. Fought well vs. lower levels.. took beatings, had heart but when he was beaten he was almost helpless. that is a great?
     
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 9, 2017
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 9, 2017
    #40
  11. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

    25,429
    19,508
    Nov 24, 2013
    Cotto? ROFL
     
    lewis gassed, Dec 9, 2017
    lewis gassed, Dec 9, 2017
    #41
  12. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    4,566
    3,755
    Jan 5, 2017
    who they fought and when - forget belts, who's '0' he took, and the like
    cotto was always a second tier fighter. never close to great

    and rock, paper, scissors doesn't work in boxing
    you only get credit for who you beat, not the 'knock on' effect that might look good, but doesn't count for anything
     
    Aussie Invader, Dec 9, 2017
    Aussie Invader, Dec 9, 2017
    #42
    OvidsExile likes this.
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,888
    3,036
    Dec 11, 2009
    Cotto took the 0 of Malignaggi, Quintana, Torres, Pinto, Maussa, Foreman
    All decent wins. Now if we go by your logic of forgetting belts which I think is fair to do at times, Quintana went on to beat P Williams, Maussa went on to beat Harris, Malignaggi had a few decent wins etc and some feel he deserved the nod over Alvarez.
    Thats impressive
     
    bailey, Dec 10, 2017
    bailey, Dec 10, 2017
    #43
  14. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    4,566
    3,755
    Jan 5, 2017
    it's impressive for the fighters who went on to beat bigger names, but it in no way adds gloss to cotto's career because he himself didn't beat them
     
    Aussie Invader, Dec 10, 2017
    Aussie Invader, Dec 10, 2017
    #44
    OvidsExile likes this.
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    39,888
    3,036
    Dec 11, 2009
    ??? What are you on about?

    So you think the fighters Cotto beat were impressive but not Cotto?
    So Cotto beat undefeated Quintana was not impressive even though Quintana 2 fights later beat undefeated P Williams?
    Cotto beat Martinez who in 4 of his previous 5 fights had taken the 0 from world class comp as well as beating Williams and Pavlik
     
    bailey, Dec 10, 2017
    bailey, Dec 10, 2017
    #45
Page 3 of 5