The fab four fights: scores settled

hagler hearns and hearns duran were definitive.

leonard duran, leonard hagler and leonard hearns all ended relatively evenly for me. i'd call these match-ups 1-1, a draw and 1-1.

hagler duran was a clear win for hagler, but because of the fighters' best weights, i'm not sure we can conclude an awful lot from that fight.

 

i'm not basing my analysis on excuses, just on how the fights went. also, taking into account primes and weights, but in a loose way.

hearns has rubbished the massage excuse anyway. and he tried to escape hagler soon after the epic first round, but hagler got to him and finished him off.

 

As far as I'm concerned all the fights had clear winners, Leonard-Hagler included, just ignore the whining baldies

 

Not for me, i scored it in an unbiased manner as a fan of both, but ended on a 6-6 Draw, despite scoring no even rounds.

 

this isn't about fights, it's about the overall series e.g. who got the better of leonard hearns? i guess you'd say leonard has a win and a draw, and that's fair enough. don't expect many to agree though.

 

same. i think we're the only ones. that fight just had to be 7-5 one way or the other :roll:

 

Well that was 1-1 but Leonard got the most important fight in their prime and more emphatically and theres some case for a Leonard draw in the rematch

 

The Leonard-Hearns draw came way after Leonard's prime. He just simply wasn't a full time pro boxer after the Hagler bout, and even then he was coming off a huge layoff. Its a touching moment for Hearns, but Leonard won when it counted, and did so without controversy. He may have even beat Hearns on the cards that night, too. He was catching up fast, and winning a 10-8 in the 14th round. Something to think about.

 

I watched the 1st fight again the other night & it had to be a KO for Leonard, he handed the first 5 rounds to Hearns & the 1st 2 minutes of round 6 also until he clipped tommie & went at him for the remainder. I gave the 6th to Leonard for that last minute. But the 7th is really were he damaged Hearns when he hit him with that left 2 the body:yikes

OMG what a sickener killer shot that was from leonard & i think thats shot broke 2 of Tommies ribs & Leonard was all over Hearns for that round. I also gaving the 8th to leonard as well as he really looked like he was now taking command of the fight & he was now fighting Hearns exactly the same way as he fought Duran in montreal & took thos last 3 rounds in a sweep....

But the 9th saw Tommie get on his bike & jab,jab,jab & he breezed the next 4 rounds for me as leonard just did'nt have a clue & now was starting to eat serious leather. That 13th round was DO or DIE for Leonard & once he landed that shot he piled in like a drowning man swiming for the last life-raft. Up till the start of the 13th i had it a clear 9-3 for Hearns & the 13th obviously was a 10-8 for Leonard so at the start of the 14th i still had him 4 down & for me he had to get the KO or a KD in the last 2 rounds to get the draw.

All in all Leonard was comprehensivly outboxed the whole fight & in all reality the better man lost on the night & over 12 rounds Leonards a gonna big time with a 9-3 for hearns after the end of 12 & thats why Leonard would never ever go anyway near Hearns again until 8 long years had past. If you take the 1st Duran fight into account also over the 12 rounds then Leonard won 5 as most out of 24:deal

Leonard 2nd best welterweight of all time???!!!!! **** OFF

 

On that night,Hagler would always have beaten Hearns. Hagler dictated the course of the fight.

 

I consider the better man the guy who wins the fight. Ray had a hard time figuring Tommy out, and in the end, figured him, ****ed him up in short order and sent him back to crying Detroit fans barely able to stand in the corner.

Better man was Leonard. He won that fight clean, with no controversy. In a 15 round fight, who gives a **** what the score is through 12? Leonard had 15 rounds to get the job done and stopped a wilting Hearns with time to spare, and yes, had he got two 10-8 rounds, he'd have won on all three cards. Not that it matters.

Hearns edged Leonard by a point or two in the rematch, not before nearly being stopped a few times himself.

2nd best welterweight ever, no, but the winner of the Hearns-Leonard rivalry? Overall, definitely. Best resume of the fab 4? No question. Only one to beat all of them.

Leonard won more rounds over three fights than Duran did by a country mile. He also made the toughest man in boxing say "I don't want any more of you." The outcome of fight two is by far the most decisive outcome of the three fights.

I think the only valid argument that a score between the fab four that wasn't settled was Hagler-Leonard. Close ass fight, hard to separate the two, no rematch.

 

I have Leonard a clear winner in the Hagler fight, i did'nt years ago as i had it for Hagler by 1 or a draw, but watching it again recently i had difficalty giving Hagler 3 rounds & it all depends if you want to watch a fight or a boxing match, Leonard did more & was allowed to dictate the action allthanks to a complient Hagler & his dumb corner.

Hagler has absolutly no excuses as he handed the whole circus over to Leonard & volanteered as chief clown. I can't for the life of me see how trundling foreward whinging in hope & a prayer bombs juxtaposed with scowling wins rounds when the other guy is peppering you albeit pitty patty punches they still score in more book.

Forget the 3rd Leonard/Duran fight please, that was another Leonard $$$$ robbing job & why do you think the crowd where all chantng "BULL****" "BULL****" at him & walking out. Leonard was finished in Vegas after that act of desert robbery, no casino owner would be so gullible to touch him again after he publicly stated that he'd stand & fight Duran, i'a'nt running i'am going for the KO, thats what he said all week at the pressers, i should now as i was there. Hence he had too ply his trade in NY against Norris who as we know wiped the floor with him.

In Montreal Leonard had his arse handed to him & 10-5 to Duran all day all night 24/7/365 & in no way anyone watching that fight could have thought for a nano-second that leonard was in control or looked like winning, he got outboxed/out-thought & bashed up in good style by the older/smaller man.

In New Orleans Leonard was only up by 2/2/1 due to his more than timid performence that night hence him being castigated by the media for lacking the nessesary intestinal fortidude of a true champion & poking yer tongue out & tuanting are the actions of someone who is afeared.

 

I still wouldnt call the Hagler result super decisive. It was a good, close fight.

I had Duran beating Leonard 9-6 in Montreal myself. No arguments it was decisive.

I had Leonard winning all but one round in New Orleans. And regardless of how folks interpreted his actions as being afraid, only one guy quit that night. Willingly accepted a stoppage loss on his record. I'd never call Duran afraid, as he absolutely wasn't, but he still admitted defeat.

All in all, again, I'd say the results are pretty decisive, and only Hagler-Leonard has the openings to say the score was unsettled. Farcical as the 3rd fight was, Ray Leonard ended 2-1 over Duran. Discounting the 3rd fight, which was meaningless, and they are 1-1, with Ray getting the last laugh, the No Mas added to his legend, and the biggest fight of the day with Hearns, who he went on the stop.