THE FINALS: The All-time Heavyweight H2H Tourney: LEWIS vs. ALI

Good stuff!

I'm only able to give you a brief reply at the moment.

Styles are as important as other factors. The old adage of 'Styles make fights' is sometimes forgotten.

Like I also mentioned, I think psychology also plays a huge factor.


Arreola vs Rocky.

My money's on the Rock, because Rocky was absolutely relentless and Arreola would gas out in my opinion.


Louis vs Arreola.

Louis all day. Better in every department.


Louis vs Wlad.

How would they approach the fight? Would Wlad be ultra cautious and try and tie him up at every opportunity, to avoid getting hit clean? Would Joe have gone for the knockout?

I could definitely envisage Joe finding a way to get through to stop him.


Joe would also have easily have beaten Valuev in my opinion, as well as Grant.


With regards to Henry, I'm afraid I don't know enough about him to offer an opinion. But from the little bit I do know, he would have given his all and would have tried to fight.


Tommy Hearns vs Audley Harrison?

 

from top to bottom, the 90's had the best Heavies ever. other Era's like Jack Johnson's, Ali's, Tyson's, Holmes' were just too bare when all was said and done. the other Era's like Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, were flat out garbage.

Louis had a few good fights, but mostly trash.

this Era is bad, but it's actually not as bad as some say when looking back and comparing. if people could be so honest with themselves anyway.

 

you have a major malfunction when reading don't you???

i never said they were rubbish full stop. i said they were "overrated". they're not ATG's in the slightest. they're not even close to being HOF's. that's the point i'm making. but you continue to read into my posts with something i never even wrote.

they're very good fighters. i give them that. but they are not great.

read what i actually say next time so i don't have to get bored reading the same **** with you. better yet, ignore me. like i want to do with you.

 

Calm the f*ck down, Loudon.

It's your own fault for engaging the idiot.

He's either a troll or utterly ignorant of the sport. Either way, he's best ignored.

 

Louis would be lucky to make out of the first round against Vitali.

 

assassin,

You are without doubt, one of the most ignorant and disrespectful members on this forum.


Below, is what you've said both on this thread, and the Semi Final one:



"Ali does not win in any way. everything about Ali is overrated. his opponents like Foreman, Frazier, Liston and Norton are overrated. it wasn't the golden age of the Heavyweight division, it was the single most overrated era in boxing history along with having the most overrated fighters in history."


"just check out the career achievements of Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman to see what the true definition of overrated truly means. they barely have diddly squat between them."


"the other Era's like Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, were flat out garbage."


"Louis had a few good fights, but mostly trash."


"Ali missed with lots of his combinations.... because his timing and accuracy was ****."


"Ali did have a bit of ring savvy against clueless morons like Foreman"


"Ali didn't have ring savvy UNLESS, it was against a moronic type fighter like Foreman."


"Ali has incredibly poor control of range and distance, lets slow limited fighters get in close with EASE. gets hit with plenty of shots against the most basic fighters with very little talent, whether in his prime or not supposed prime. loses to the likes of Frazier (one of the most overrated fighters in history with little to show on his resume) Norton (who had a glass chin, but was one of the better boxers that Ali faced) Shavers (who is he, really?) Spinks (need i say more) and the ultimate trash can in Jimmy young."


"Ali is my number one for being the most grotesquely overrated fighter in history. he really was. he used plenty of dirty tricks to try and win fights, and he was boring as hell. had very little in the way of ring IQ, and wasn't in the slightest bit smart in there."


"so Ali, the supposed great ring general, with all this skill that was off the charts, someone who would have beaten everyone in the divisions history by gliding around like a fairy who couldn't be touched by no one due to him being so great in there.... was getting the **** kicked out of him by..... Joe Frazier. a fighter who only had a left hook and had beaten no one outside of Ali"



You've also called people biased and delusional.


I'm lost for words.

 

Ha! He gets on my nerves man.

I don't believe he's a troll though. He's just an ignorant guy, with no knowledge of this great sport.

 

'The Hitman'

Audley's got some skills, and he's a southpaw. He's got all of the tools in the shed, but no socket to plug them into.

He needs to see a sports psychologist and a hypnotist.

He's mentally weak. He could have had a decent career, with a different mindset.

Obviously, he would have the capabilities of putting Tommy away, but my money would definitely be on Tommy, and I'm not messing with you.

 

atsch

Because Wlad has knocked out so many great fighters early, right?

 

LOL at 60% giving this fight to Ali. Hilarious and goes to show how delusional much of this forum is.

 

atsch

 

The subtle skills of Joe Louis go un-noticed amongst casual fans so it is of no surpise Ktards think he stands no chance against Wlad or Vitali.

Joe's lack of foot speed was intentional. Its not because he couldn't move his feet , it is because every move and shuffle had a purpose.
Positioning , measuring , drawing out missed shots before ripping head and body with combinations.
A great fighter like Louis didn't look for openings , he created them.
He didn't need to close any gap either. He walloped Every big guy he faced from out of range and after he pounced on them he didn't let up.
The amount of techinical mistakes both Wlad and Vitali make would make them target practice for Louis.
His oppenents use complain that they didn't know where the blows were coming from and he had one of the most deadly and quickest right hands in the game , so i don't know what makes you think he had no handspeed.

 

People are foolish for saying bigger heavyweights will almost always beat smaller ones

Sam Langford, Evander, Henry Armstrong, Tyson, Duran beat guys much bigger than them. If you are good enough, the size won't matter. Thats why a great all time boxer like Louis would beat bums like the Klitschkos