The first fighter with a modern style?

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  1. Mendoza

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    The thread is which fighter fits the modern style. The cruiser weight division has been here since 1979 as you said. If the thread said which fights fight the modern style pre 1970, you might have a point. But it does not.
     
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    The modern style started way before 1979.

    Correct me if i'm wrong.
     
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    You not wrong I said, "What's a modern style? I would say Jim Corbett at Cruiser weight and Joe Gas at light weight qualify. "

    Now do you disagree that Corbett would be a cruiser weight today? I think he would.

    Like I said what's a modern fighter?
     
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    What on earth is "curser weight"?

    A modern style is a modern style. Weights need not really come into it. At any rate Corbett was a heavyweight in his day.
     
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    Jimmy Wilde
    Jack Dempsey
    Jack Dillon
    Terry McGovern
    ????????????
     
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    I think Terry McGovern is a good shout, for his style. Do ultra aggressive, straight out of the traps, puncher/swarmers of more modern times typically look vastly different to Terry?

    I appreciate there are front foot pressure fighters with a more nuanced skillset, e.g. Duran, but there also still more modern fighters who just run head on at their opponent from the first spell and start swinging. Aaron Pryor was more attrional and less explosive than McGovern, but was the style and even technical execution of their respective approaches so vastly different?
     
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    Beats me but I've had to read "Joe Gas" in two different posts - and it's beginning to give me a serious case of same. Makes me think there's a new movie out with David Spade playing the title character.
     
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    I feel what I call "the modern style" starts around 1950. I have been watching a lot of film recently and had a think and this is what I mean by "the modern style". This does not apply to all modern fighters of course but I would say if you flipped on the TV and watched a bunch of undercard fights you would see this. Also there were fighters before 1950 who had the style but I am talking about the style we see fairly consistently now.

    Modern style
    - Hands held high and chin held to chest
    - Elbows held tight in
    - Facing opponent at an angle
    - Consistently using the jab to set up combinations

    Old style
    - Upright stance
    - Facing square on
    - Winging hooks from the hip
    - Less use of a jab to set up shots

    Again it is possible to find both styles on both modern and old fighters so quite possible I am incorrect with my summary.
     
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    I sort of see Chavez as exemplifying what I mean in above post. Compact, elbows in, chin down. Lots of speed and variety to his punches, always using combination both up and down to unlock an opponent's defence. Using lots of angles in his attack.

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    I guess in simple, intuitive terms, a modern style is one that still wouldn’t look “out of place” among the range of styles we see today -

    That doesn’t speak for the perception of whether the given style is considered particularly effective or viewed as an evolved style. That calls on a different definition for “modern”.

    Running with the simple definition of “modern” = fit in, not out of place, it might help to cite several examples of the modern equivalent to the chosen, early century fighter.

    For example, if I were to choose Dempsey for the sake of argument, then at least imo, I could perhaps point to Frazier and Duran as latter day examples of a similar style -

    If I considered another fighter like Jack Johnson, I could say great boxer, well ahead of his time but one that would still look notably “out of place” on the whole, hand position, relatively static on his feet etc. - but still upholding some features to his game that approximated if not equalled certain modern practices/displays. -

    How about Tommy Burns smashing out Bill Squires - that looked pretty cool - any modern equivalents to cite even if the comparison is only confined to that particular performance of Burns? - :)

    At the very least, a lot more dramatic and exciting than what we’re accustomed to seeing on other old films of the era. Little Tommy Turbo, didn’t waste any time - the little bugger came to fight, ha.
     
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    LOL!!! Something definitely smells!!!! Hearns and Hagler fought like cats and dogs and apparently swore a lot at each other that night.

    Could they have been fighting for the mysterious "curser weight" title?
     
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    :lol:

    Lesser fighters than Hags and Tommy would’ve retired “hurt”….very hurt by the nasty things those two were saying to each other.

    Big mistake on Tommy’s part calling Hags a bald Pygmy- that’s when Marv really went to town on poor Hearns.
     
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    I don’t think it’s still on YouTube but Joe Gas vs. Freddie Farts was a real stinker.
     
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