The Five Foot Ten Heavyweight Club

just cause a man fought there doesn't always mean you can count him there...

Toney was NEVER a HW. he was more a fat _unt in the end who's MW body was in love with Big Mac's and other such opponents.

 

yes agree, HW is no longer HW.

I'd say over 6'3" and 225lbs plus to compete equally in the S-HW division.

 

I cant agree with this at all. I think this thread demonstrates quite well that there have been changes in weights, more so than actual height and reach.

Who would have thought that Marvin Hart and Joe Frazier were similar sizes. Marvin arguably a little bigger. The reason for the weight gains is simply that fighters train with weights (and arguably steroids), and dont run as much. whether this is due to changes in conditions or something i am not sure about, but i would have thought it was.

The likes of Wlad and Lennox really have skewed things a lot, because they are not only giants but actually great boxers. Wlad, for example, appears to me to to train and work harder than any other heavyweight around by quite a good distance. He is always in shape, and fights more regularly than most of challengers. Assuming his dodgy chin is not as bad as some people seem to think, he would probably be a top fighter and even dominant champion, even if he was 5 foot 10. He does have good speed and power and has shown he has the dedication to work on a gameplan his coach develops. At 5 10, he could easily rely on his long left swings and powerful jabs and straight rights (perhaps he could even clinch as well as Ruis if that was required) and i dont really see any reason why he couldnt dominate regardless of his size.

The only thing his size really does is help him develp the boring style and take less risks.

When Wlad retires, we could easily see a light heavyweight or more topically, a 5 10 heavy win the title.

 

His lefts & jabs & straight rights would be less effective if he was 5' 10" w/proportionate arm length. His size allows him to hit a lot & avoid equal punishment.

 

They certainly gave that effect but was that because these giants were fighting Jack Dempsey sized heavyweights that were slowed down with the personal weight of an actual giant? Would Lewis and co look more clumsy if they were trying to pin down a speedy guy not blowing and breathing so hard?

This and his experience is a massive advantage he has over his inactive, aging over weight, inexperienced chalengers.

This is a good point, there is no doubting he is a good boxer, experienced and well conditioned.

he also hangs his full weight on opponents, uses his massive strength in a clinch. I think his size is quite a large percentage of his sucsess but I think his superior conditioning and most importantly his experience is catching that up. He has had so many fights now and is still in better shape than the kids.

I agree. There just are not enough giants to go around. Training is changing again. Pace will become more of a factor once a top fighter can establish this as a real asset, but so far size and sumo tactics have been used as distraction to mask the lack of experience in the HW division.

 

Tyson's height was actually advantageous for his style of fighting, which was compact and implosive.

Height and body shape type really does dictate much of your style rather than what weight class you fight in.

 

joe jeanette really only 5"10"..wow.......why is he in first group though ?

 

Outside of Tyson there has not been a top level 5'10" heavy since Marciano in the 1950's. Tyson would be fine any era, as would Tua.

Essentially if your short, you need to be " long " on power and durability as out boxing taller skilled guys is not very likely.

Regarding Sam McVey, His reach might be greater than 75"

 

chagaev fighting for the wba world heavyweight title on saturday....i **** you not.

well....thats what it says anyway

 

i am from the Boston area near Brockton were rocky comes from and the guys he grew up with(before the elevator shoes) say he was 5'9",frazier was 5'10" there is a pic of him and 6' chuvalo and he is clearly shorter than a half inch. toney is also 5'9",tua 5'9.5",

 

don't forget orlin norris out boxed much taller from outside not much power.