So Dempsey should get an official loss to Gibbons? That's how your scenario sounds. I think the Pancakes analogy was better. Now where are my pancakes?
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I wouldn´t say the Firpo fight was a good performance, definitely Dempsey could be better than that especially defensively... I prefer the Giboons fight like other have said... How about the Battling LEvisky fight ? It was one of his best performances ??
His win against Tunney in his last fight, on my film Tunney is on the seat of his pants for 11 seconds DURING the 7th round.. I turned off the film after that the fight was over
Fulton- This matched the two top contenders. It was expected to be a classic and Dempsey just blew Fulton out. Whatever Fulton's weaknesses, and whether you believe he threw the fight as he later claimed, it was an impressive performance. Gibbons- Outboxing a master boxer in going 15 rounds for the first time ever is impressive. Brennan 2- Dempsey showed in this fight that he could be hurt, and outpointed and still show late round knockout power. Whatever you say about Dempsey he was no front runner. Bill Brennan 1- Dempsey massacres Brennan who at this point in his career was just on the verge of breaking into the same class as Fulton. Willard- Dempsey did what he should have done. Willard was disinterested, and ill prepared but thats his fault. He deserved everything he got and he got a lot. One of the most legendary slaughters in history.
that's about as fair as turning off the firpo fight because he was helped back into the ring and was ACTUALLY KO'd :good which would mean would tunney beat the hell out of him twice, he wasn't even champ
Dempsey was great and there was no one near to him until Joe Louis for me Dempsey was the greatest of the 1st quarter of the century, Louis the 2nd, Marciano the 3rd and Ali the 4th quarter, the rest fit in somewhere
Dempsey-Firpo is a black mark. Firpo was plucked out of the arsehole of Kearns and hyped as a worthy challenger due to his frightening nickname and size. His most notable win was either Weinert - who Greb tore to pieces - or Willard. (Now, I don't buy the sales pitch that is; "Willard was awkward, durable and a powerful hitter with a solid jab"* even when Willard was in his prime, but for the love of Jebus, please don't try to convince me that in 1923 he was anything but a **** squirt on the heavyweight picture.) The fight itself was almost completely devoid of skill, even for a slug fest, and many of the knockdowns looked tame, accounting for footage quality and all. I'd pick a 1950s Archie Moore to batter Firpo over half a dozen rounds in a more comprehensive display. *Yeah, for a farm hand. Not for a supposed world class boxer.
Im not disputing the result of the Sharkey fight. Dempsey did what he had to do. Not sure how Sharkey can be considered one of his greatest performances. Jack Sharkey was a fine fighter. Dempsey didnt extacty cover himself in glory the way he won that fight. His performance was probably subpar.
Interesting take. Too bad there is no rule that says a fighter cant be down for 11 seonds. Its the referee`s count.
Janitor already said it. He beat the heir to his throne. In addition, he was way past prime and Sharkey was arguably the best fighter he ever beat. 1) Best fighter he beat 2) Beat the heir to his throne 3) Great win past prime.
Subpar ? For a 32 year old fighter after a 3 year layoff ?... When the 25 year old Sharkey was in his prime ,he was a terrific talented Heavyweight who Dempsey wore down and kod...And considering Dempsey was old, slow and rusty, it was one of the Manassa Mauler's impressive performances...cheers.
Here is beginning of the fight report as filed by Westbrook Pegler, the United News Staff Correspondent ringside... "Tommy Gibbons, a St. Paul steamfitter who took to boxing as an afterthought late in his youth... blasted Jack Dempsey's reputation all over the Montana prarie by fighting the mankiller fifteen rounds here Wednesday afternoon. Dempsey was given the decision by Jimmy Daugherty of Philadelphia, his roommate and private referee, who favored him in foul work all through the mauling. It was a disastrous afternoon for Dempsey, for he lost as much prestige as Gibbons gained and that is a large measure." This is fairly typical of the next day reports I have read. There is no consternation over the ultimate verdict, but plenty regarding Daugherty's allowance of Dempsey's fouling and Dempsey's rather underwhelming performance in general. Based on these reports, I have a hard time putting this victory in Dempsey's top 5 performances.
That's the point. I'm not someone who sees Dempsey as a man killer so I dont hold a dominant points victory against him. All bull**** aside, once you get past the hype he was able to comprehensively outpoint a great boxer who was one of the finest of his era. He didnt stop him but so what?