The Fix In The Jungle?

no

 

The Fix,

As in George Foreman fighting what has to be the most stupid tactical fight ever.

Yes.

Muhammad Ali had 'no' fight plan versus George Foreman, and started laying on the
ropes becuase his legs went out early in the 2nd Round.

Then, by mistake, he found out that George's punches lost their steam by the 3rd Round.

 

Dunno if there was a fix, but the ropes obviously were waay too lose.

 

Yes!

Wait. *reads op again* oh. No. No it wasn't.

 

George Foreman himself has said the exscuses he made up for losing that fight were all bull**** and Ali beat him fair and square. So lets just bury the fixed theory right now.

 

no, a few sharp old-timers and experienced fight guys told me Big George can,t lift his hands after 5 rds and a sharp heavyweight beats him. I remembering one guy telling me that Charles would eat him up infighting....I loved George and his undefeated record, even though he had the worst opposition but looking back with what i know today its easy to see him getting beat by Ali,Young,Charles, and Walcott but back then I saw things differently, in retrospect I can see why he did not want to fight Quarry but Foreman despite his weakness had a lot of strengths his power and he showed his heart getting off the floor and out-willing Lyle in their fight...the older George improved on stamina,smarts but legs,speed were not area's of improvement.

 

The way big George was throwing those punches he could've launched Ali into space if he connected. Ali just outsmarted him, As Ali stated many times before the fight "here comes George with a left..................here comes George with a right" Unlike Frazier Ali wasn't there when George threw the punches and by the time of the rope a dope rounds big George was simply punching himself out. I bet Ali couldn't raise his arms for days after the fight, they must have been very sore. There was no fix, just a clever strategy that big George didn't wake up too. I think George Foreman believed all the hype about himself, he believed after the demolition of both Frazier and Norton that what the press was saying about Ali's life being in danger was a reality, Ali always fought smartly. Foreman underestimated Ali that's all.

 

At least half of Clay-Ali's wins were fixed one way or another.

 

Foreman's ultimate mistake was taking that fight over to Africa for new promoter Don King and not fighting in the Astrodome in front of his fans.

Don King took control of the Hvywt. division from that point on.

 

I made a whole thread about d ropes .
D heat also had a role in it .
When i made it i only happened 2 read that Foreman claimed that he was drugged in that fight as well but i had no opinion about it .

Then when i read that article (a good 1) and that Sandy Saddler (whom was n extremely dirty fighter back in his day) took care that Foreman drank what Saddler gave 2 him and that Saddler was never witnessed in Foreman's corner again it made me wonder . Watching Foreman not looking sharp in d ring in 1974 also made me wonder . some1 here claimed that later (post 1974) Saddler was witnessed near Ali's corner and that Ali's team demanded Saddler in Foreman's corner or else no rematch , IDK if it's true .
Still , i'm not totally convinced that Foreman was drugged but i believe in it more than b4 .
But even if he wasn't , d combination of D intentionally loosened ropes , D Heat , and Ali's being trained in order 2 exploit these 2 (he was trained on d rope a dope b4 d fight , it was not a real time , last moment accommodation)
and pay no attention 2 Mirena's screaming 2 Ali 2 get off d ropes and later claiming that it was dangerous 2 Ali because fact is he trained Ali 2 do it .
Mirena was a professional criminal , of d worst kind , d kind that evades d bars . What would u expect such a shrewd criminal 2 do ? scream 2 Ali 2 get on d ropes ? admit later that he told Ali during his training camp while working on d rope a dope with him 2 ignore his shouts about getting off d ropes during d fight ? I don't think that such deeds r even beyond d pedestrian intelligence of d posters here , but 4 their reasons they choose 2 ignore and dismiss it .
Angelo Mirena was a saint , he never had anything in common with d mafia and all his deeds were holy .
Angelo never cut Ali's glove b4/during d Cooper #1 fight and never handed him smelling salts 2 sniff during d Xtended break between rds either .
Someday , your grand grand grandchildren will pray 2 Santa Angelo at night , asking him 4 n under d table writings during n alarming test . They'll later come and visit his grave that will become a cathedral by then , d residence archibishop of d Italian New Yorkian church .
May Angelo bless your souls and god b with your deeds in hard times 2 come .

 

The ropes were intentionally loosened and the Ref was an Ali fan for sure. Foreman was up at the count of 8 and he was wide eyed and his legs were fine yet the ref finished the count. If that fight happened today,George would have gotten up and continued the fight.

 

I thought Foreman once said that "he was making every excuse in the world to take credit away from Ali." Not sure though.