The Fix In The Jungle?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by BillB, Jul 20, 2012.


  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have heard nothing about Dundee admitting to loosening any ropes and if it's out there it's BS.

    I have heard Dundee "live / on tape" state that he adjusted the ropes pre-fight.
    But he didn't say it was to any massive degree, nor was to give the fighters any edge on each other.
     
  2. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He never stated he loosened the ropes. He stated he tightened the ropes.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes he did and he was helped tightening them by promoter Bobby Goodman.:good
     
  4. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

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    read to this troll piece of **** lmao.ezzard Charles and walcott beating foreman lol
     
  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman, prime Foreman, was also quick. His speed is something he is not given much credit for since he tended to loop his power punches. He also had a great jab termed the best jab since Louis.

    Great boxers always have a chance to beat a great puncher. That's nothing new nor unexpected. However I don't think Charles or Walcott had the ability to avoid being cornered by the ever ring cutting Foreman. Walcott certain in lacked the durability to take Foremans best punches.

    Young was one of Foremans worst performances.
     
  6. mcvey

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    According to Rothschild Louis' jab was only average.
     
  7. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am trying not to try to educate the uneducatable.
     
  8. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Which begs the question why was the fight allowed to go ahead? Imagine Golovkin fighting a slickster type today and the same thing happening? It's ****ing amateur hour!
     
  9. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Huh? You don't stop a multimillion dollar boxing event because the venue bought the wrong sized ropes.

    Ali was a pro.....he found a way to win as he would have if he had found a hard canvas that night that allowed him to move freely. Ali was trained to stick and move for 15 rounds.
     
  10. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And that is how he won the fight back in '74...he knew that Big George had stamina problems...found out that he could take Foreman's shots...hopefully not get caught...and and wait for Foreman to run out of gas!!!
     
  11. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was not generally understood that George has stamina issues going into his bout with Ali. Yes he did appear totally exhausted in his decision win over Peralta but this was not being considered at least not greatly considered in 74. It was really only after he gassed against Ali that what occurred vs Peralta and against Ali was added up...2 plus 2.

    Going into this bout the general idea was if Ali could take George into a long fight he had the best chance to win since Foreman never went past ten rounds in his career up to this point in time.
     
  12. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Come on people. Ali won the fight fair and square. The heat was the same for both men. No one from ali,s camp would have wanted ali on the ropes. It would have been thought as suicide for ali. Bearing in mind george was a pretty murderous puncher. The ring size and canvas actually favoured foremann.

    We talk about greats etc but on that nite and on a few nites previously ali showed again his true greatness and strength of character. I dont think many would have stood up to george tbh.

    For once a man thats passed actually deserves the plaudits thats came his way over the last few days.

    Wasnt without his faults but i dont think anyone defied the odds like ali did over the years. He does deserve to be called the greatest. When everythings said and done.


    I dont think anyone since or before at any weight beat the calibre of competition ali did. When you think of liston,frazier and foremann. Plus the other woryhy challengers he beat. Imo those three should easily be in everybodys top ten of all time heavyweights and would have been regarded even higher than they are today if it wasnt for ali beating them.
     
  13. bbjc

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    Or top ten to fifteen heavyweights even depending on your preferences. Wouldnt have thought they d be outwith anyones top 15.