"The Formidables": Who were the greatest fighting machines in history?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Off the top of my little, drunken head...

    Hank Armstrong
    Roberto Duran
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Harry Greb
    Sugar Ray Robinson
     
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  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nah, I just saw an opportunity to praise Freddie Brown. I love that grizzled old stereotype.
     
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  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haha. Clear the bubbles and think about which particular fights they were at the top of their game and demonstrated all-time formidability.

    * by the way, I'm glad to see you here -you posted something some time ago about how you grew bored with the threads and posts in Classic. I thought this thread would be fairly original.
     
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  4. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ---good fight on HBO right now... Andrade vs. Stieglitz---.
     
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  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some great calls in this thread.


    A few more I'd add:

    Jim Driscoll the day he shut out Abe Attell.

    Sammy Mandell the day he outslicked Tony Canzoneri.

    Tony Canzoneri in the rematch with Jackie Kid Berg.
     
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  6. Manassa

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    Great knockout...
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Sugar Ray Robinson from the Gavilan rematch. Few people would have handled Gavilan this night.

    Muhammad Ali, lets say from the Williams fight due to the time rather than opponent.

    Roberto Duran from whatever Esteban rematch one prefers. I'm actually struggling to think of his absolute best time at 135, Stonehands might put me right.

    Michael Spinks from the Qawi fight. About peak Spinks at 175 and he showed he could reign in even his right hand output in order to ensure the best chance at victory. Tho he would have incredible opposition he and Futch would be a heckuva team to finish over. My most optimisitic choice.

    Hank Armstrong, from around the Alton Black fight at Featherweight. Could any featherweight in history withstand this assault?
     
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  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    4. Duran-Leonard I.
     
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  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say DeJesus III. Great calls along with that, JT.

    Believe it or not, I think that the Duran who got Leonard was even more formidable than the peak 1978 version... this is more consistent with my little pet theory about Duran ultimately only being as good as his degree of passion -and he was never more passionate/motivated/inspired than he was when he fought Leonard in Montreal.
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

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    ............Quite true. I would only add that in the second Dejesus fight, he wasn't yet quite perfected as a fighter, and allowed himself to get a bit careless again and wrapped up too much in emotion. He was just as intense the third time around with Dejesus and against Leonard, but by then had learned to harness it a bit more and funnel his rage.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Ok, i'll swing with III* then. I totally agree the Leonard performance is the greatest ever Duran win and performance, but i have balanced things out by taking into account your ""hardest to beat" and think the best Duran at 135 has far less opposition than the one who beat Leonard at 147. I'm not sure anyone ever can tame the Duran from 135, but feel Robinson beats him at 147, with Leonard (debatable as we know), Hearns (again lol), Gavilan, Griffith and a whole host of others being hell on wheels. There's at least a couple i would take to beat Duran at 147, but i'd sure hate to be putting anything important on the line at 135, jeez. Some of his best oppposition might be Williams, Armstrong, Leonard (getting a wee bit early for me) Chavez and Whitaker. None would start fave. He has similar type opposition at 147 in bigger packages where some of his lower weight advantages disappear. So that's my long winded reason for going the 135 route. I'm sure if the opposition demands (gets all ATG and glittery) he can rise to a similar height at 135.
     
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  12. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sound reasoning. To say the least.
     
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  13. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But you mean "III" -1978, not "II" -1974, right?
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    Sorry, must have been a sticky key!!! I'll go back and correct, thanks.
     
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  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wilfredo Gomez was THE perfect fighting machine against Carlos Zarate.
     
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