The Four Who Baffled Liston Feb 1964 article.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, it's absolutely embarrassing.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    :good good post
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    The writer!!!!!!!! :lol:
     
  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Surely it's over now tho. Even Friday The 13th has to stop at some point.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

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    Terrible Article. Liston dominated Whitehurst. Won 19 out of 20 rounds and had him doing the Charleston in round 10 of the rematch.


    Marty Marshall said of there rematch "I wish I had not knocked him down, for he got up and beat me like no man should be beaten." He said of there third fight "No was was I going to let him beat on me like the 2nd fight, I ran for 10 rounds"


    Take note this was Listons 7th and 8th pro fights vs a ring magazine top 10 ranked fighter

    Machen lost 10 out of the 12 rounds, got outclassed

    And whose this McCheesburger guy in the amateurs? Clearly he wouldn't have lasted one round with Liston in 1960



    Terrible article choke job
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Okay then. Rather than saying this story is total and utter hogwash shall I from now on say "it is unlikely" that laughter was responsible for Listons broken Jaw? There seems to be no mention of it in another version.

    In Rob Steen's "Sonny Liston"
    Marshall is quoted:
    "It was a right cross. It's not true I jumped through the air and whooped and that we were laughing it up all through the fight"

    So in this version Marshall says there was no laughter, or that he "whooped".

    And Liston is quoted:

    "Marshall 's a clown. They told me- who'd bounce and flick punches from all side's. I was standing there, kinda wondering, when all of a sudden he lets out a yell and, with my mouth wide open, gaping, he slugged me right on he jaw. It didn't hurt, but I couldn't close my mouth. I had to fight 6 rounds with my mouth open."

    So in this version, this time, Liston is not saying he is laughing but gaping.

    The fact is Sonny's jaw was broken. He was punched. This all parties agree on. So this happened.

    Marshall says there was no laughter, whooping or jumping. Liston says he was gaping with astonishment in this version but in another version says he was laughing. This side of things is more unlikely.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Well I dont think the writer disputes any of this Susan. Right at the start he outlines that "Liston has improved" "perhaps none could do as well against Liston today".
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You can say anything you like. None of it really matters after these pages, people are laughing at you pretty much across the board.

    Yes - something I told you three times just in this thread, I think.

    Why?
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    When it's a case of one word against another the choice is "it might or might not have happened" or if one party changes the story perhaps it then becomes "unlikely". Either way it is a "legend has it" kind of story. Who knows? Not me. Not you.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Well done.

    Took a few pages, but you got there in the end.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Touche!
     
  12. mcvey

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    No,your own quote says.

    It's not true I jumped through the air and whooped and that we were laughing it up all through the fight"
    Liston never claimed he had, the key words here may be
    all through the fight.

    You've endorsed the fact that Liston had his mouth gaping open when Marshall banged a right cross off his jaw. You've been defending an indefensible position from the start.

    Now you're attempting to pick up jelly with a fork.
    Give it up mate!
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I now accept the school of thought that "nobody really knows". It might not be hogwash, there is all ways that chance, but then again it might be hogwash after all. There's nothing "jelly and fork" in saying this. Liston told the story two different ways.

    Is it a hard fact?
     
  14. McGrain

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    That's not what you were saying.

    You were saying the opposite, for pages.

    SO yes, it seems to have been a desperately hard fact for you.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Win some ,lose some Chok,this one you lost!:noclue