The Fury 'Era' Ends On May 18th

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Boxing doesn't work like that. You got to clean and beat the division. Usyk can't done that, simply cause he's done his part at CW, and doesn't have the time to do it at HW.
    Fury, cause he messed around and decide to play it safe.
    AJ is the other big name in the division.
    Just because Usyk beats him, that doesn't mean Fury will beat him, or for Fury to get any credits over AJ, even if Fury beats Usyk.

    And let's not forget for real Fury lost to a MMA guy with zero boxing fights.
    So nice try, but no.
    If he wants to solidify himself as the best of this era + ATG status, he still need that AJ.
    Hell you call me Fury hater. But if Fury beats Usyk, then rematch him and beats him, as there is rematch clause for both sides, and then beats AJ, Fury has a claim to be the GOAT, and being a HW GOAT is essentially the GOAT of Boxing.
     
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  2. Arnie 101

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    I want Fury era to end just as badly as most people here. However I have been watching clips of Usyk training for Tyson, I haven't been impressed the man looks heavy and slow.

    I don't know if age catched up to him, or he is carrying an injury, overtrained or he is just playing mind games but it doesn't look good I hate to say it Fury impressed me more. I hope I'm dead wrong but I don't think this will be some outboxing masterclass like the AJ/Usyk fight from what I seen Fury has a very good chance. If this was a year ago like it supposed to be or even February I would of choose Usyk but now I really don't know.
     
  3. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    I would agree that he's getting there. I would argue that he still needs the AJ fight, at least. Though I still would not rate him particularly highly as an ATG - if at all - due to his relatively thin resume.
    My point was never that Fury is no good. My issue is that he has been elevated to the best of his generation without definitively proving it. And elevated to ATG according to lesser criteria than others. It's not that he doesn't have talent - its that he has chosen not to take on the best, consistently. Imagine if Foreman refused to fight Ali because he had destroyed Norton and Frazier - who had both beaten Ali. By modern logic he would be justified in doing so. But that's not how it works. Styles make fights and the champion should be beating all those other top names and styles to prove he is number one... Not taking occasional risks. Lennox lewis, as another example, defeated Holyfield and Tyson (past prime, sure) but also defeated the other danger men of his era along the way (Ruddock, Golota, Briggs) AND the next generation (Grant, Tua, Klitschko). Fury has done nowhere near that - in fact he has wilfully done the opposite!
    The fact that I think usyk beats him next week is a separate point. My main point is that Fury has been granted best of his era and ATG status without earning it. I am not a hater ... Just a boxing fan who s been around long enough to see someone (Fury) trying to pull the wool over my eyes. Remember ... He chose to take on Chisora and Ngannou rather than prove 'the doubters ' wrong. If you substituted those names for Usyk and AJ he would have an unrivalled claim as best of his era. But he chose not to do that.
     
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  4. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    Largely agree with this. For some reason Fury is being held to a different standard to other greats of the past. He HAS to defeat the other top names of his era to show he is the best... not by taking occasional risks to protect his 0. Could you imagine Tyson refusing to fight Holyfield in the 90s because he was washed up?? Boxing should be about getting credit for actually having the fights, not just presuming one fighter would win.
    What on earth was he doing taking on Chisora and Ngannou when he still hasn't beaten AJ and Usyk to prove he is the best of his generation?? Madness.
     
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  5. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Or does Fury win (win by knockout?) and the world of many turns upside down?
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  6. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When will we see the headline: "Fury withdraws from Usyk fight on May 18th due to injury, Hrgovic steps in for replacement" ?
     
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  7. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Any time now. It's got to happen.
     
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  8. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Fury beats Usyk then Fury>AJ until they fight. It's that simple. Fury would have fought and beaten 2/3 of his top opposition, while AJ has yet to beat any of them.
     
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  9. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Triangle theories don't work in Boxing, it's never has, never will be. People should have learn that already.
    And if you want to make an opinion on how a certain fight will plays out, while it's always a wild guess, you are doing it, compare their skill assets, and when it comes to opponents, a similar opponents style wise, physique wise + of course recent performance. Not fights taken multiple years apart and one guy was at his top in one of the fights, and when he was a shot, etc.

    And if Fury wasn't such a p****, we wouldn't have guess, but knew the answer already. The fight won't happen, even if Saudi brings 200m. to the table, which they may do, Fury will still duck the fight.

    AJ ain't an aging CW, who's best assets are age depended. AJ also has similar star power if not higher. Fury can't use his dirty tricks and won't be favored by the judges/referee.
    This alone tells me he won't fight AJ ever.

    He needs to duck and age Usyk for almost 2 good years, and everything to happen on his terms, to even dare to fight a guy he severely outsize huge time.

    You can quote me on this i'f im wrong and Fury actually grow a **** and fight AJ.
     
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  11. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not a triangle theory. It's the simple fact that Fury would (in this scenario) be the undisputed, unified and lineal champion. Fury > AJ UNTIL they fight based on both ranking and top opposition beaten.

    Fury won't retire without fighting AJ. It's too much money and I imagine Turki will have big plans for him. If they do fight I just can't see AJ beating him, but it would be an exciting fight.

    But until then we have a 50/50 fight for the undisputed to look forward to.
     
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  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's go clarify what that > even means. Is Fury a better fighter, and would beat AJ, without beating him, as if this is what you mean, hell NO.
    You can have your opinion on who would win that fight, and i had no problem with it. Just like i guess you have no problem with mine that AJ beats Fury with ease. Style wise for me AJ annihilate Fury, and won't even be funny.

    If you talk about standing/resume etc. I agree completely. Hell you can even argue now about it, before Fury facing Usyk. Depends on what you look at it. But if he beats Usyk, it's clear yeah.
     
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  13. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    Oh man, every time I log in to this site or a news site, I half expect to read some BS. For me it goes back to waiting on the WK rematch that never eventuated ... and waiting of the Joshua fight that never went thru.

    My sister, who follows boxing and watches a lot of it, says she's not particularly interested in this fight because she doesn't trust it to happen, and won't be until round 1 begins. Fury injuring himself climbing over the ropes on the way in, isn't beyond a possibility.
     
  14. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I feel the same way.
     
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  15. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Hope so sick of him