The Future of CUBA in the Pros, by Weightclasses. (List Inside) ***UPDATED/VIDEO***

When you saw Yan Barthelemy from his first professional fight it was clear theres a few differences......

 

That's the must stupid post I've seen in a long time, "make you learn bad habits" ? On the contrary , it's during your amateur career that you're supposed to learn how TO GET RID of bad habits ( if indeed you had any ) , and this doesn't happen frecuently in Cuba , they usually teach you pretty good. The Ams are the time to learn, it's the school, that's why you see some Mexican fighters like Salido that have a desproportionated numbers of loses in their record and they are still relatively young , it's not because they are bad boxers but because they turned pro way too early ,and that's because they are competing and learning at the same time , if you have to lose due to your boxing skills not being yet developed it's better to do it in the Ams than in the Pros.Peace.

 

If you learn the right way to box amateur boxing that means that you're not learning the right way to fight pro boxing. Both are two completely different styles and if you stay too long in the amateurs it'll hurt you in the long run when you turn pro.

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Pro boxing and amateur boxing are two different things that's my point if you dont know that then you dont know much about boxing either.

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Paisano from Puerto Rico, Amateurs is the base of professional boxing, you don't learn bad habits while learning the trade, and there is a difference between the two but not that much, is like going to HS and then to college, you need a good foundation in order to compete in the pros, the problem with some of the Cubans is not the amateurs, they teach well there, it is the freedom that they gain when they defect for some, and the cultural shock for others, not knowing when you r going to c your love ones is pretty hard, and the other thing is age, most of them had defected in the late 20's or early 30's, and if you look who has more success from the two groups, the 20's are ahead, and they are getting younger, we have success before Castro, I don't c any reason why we can't have it now, we are the same ppl, and we always being good in the prof sports, just because we had been absent for 50+ years it doesn't mean that we can make our mark again.

 

You are partially right and partially wrong. People think that amateur boxers only fight for points but there are also many KO's and TKO's in the amateurs as well. Now, I do agree with you that if a fighter stays for too long in the amateurs it's kind of hard to get rid of those bad habits and that could turn into a non-successful pro career. But there are others ( like Gamboa ) who even though had 300+ amateur bouts adapted very quickly to the pro game and other Cubans that come to mind are Lara, Solis and Franco.

So, every boxer is very different and it's really up to him and up to his unique talent and natural abilities whether he can make the adjustment and become a successful pro! :good

But in reality, boxing's main idea is to " hit and don't get hit " and the Cubans are masters at that!

 

Totally right! Not only did we had many World Champions when there was just 1 World Champ per division but our Champions were " Hall of Fame " boxers. Kid Chocolate, Mantequilla Napoles, Kid Gavilán, Kid Paret, LM Rodriguez, Sugar Ramos, Black Bill, el Niño Valdes were all great ones! And that was when Cuba had " only half " of the population that we have today!!!

Make no mistake, the Cubans are finally back !!! :good

 

Luis Ortiz now ranked number 20 in WBC

 

Yudel Jhonson fight Richard Gutirrez (26-5-1) on the same card as Lara march 25
Before that march 4 when Despaigne fight Syllakh Dorticos and Fiz also on the card

 

And Hernadez is on the scene now, I think some ppl are in denial, just like back in the late 80's early 90's with the eastern block, and look now.

 

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Carrillo one of my favourite, he could not take a punch but could recup in a second and had a right hand like stevenson.
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¿ Can you explain what's " the right way " to box amateur , and " the right way " to box pro ? ¿ Do boxers throw different types of punches in each one ?
¿ Do they ? ......

 

Since you want to act stupid or maybe you really dont know. Of course they throw the same punches, a jab is a jab a straight hand is a straight hand a hook is a hook an upper is an upper.

Pro boxing is 10-12 rds instead of 3 or 5 in the amateurs. Plus scoring in the amateurs is a whole lot different in than the pros. You get points for each clean hit with the white part in the amateurs. No matter how hard the punch all clean hits are worth the same if they get scored. You dont get points for pressure ring generalship and for controlling the tempo of the fight. In the amateurs body punches dont get scored much although they supposed to but they hardly are.

With that said to be successful in amateur boxing you have to learn to throw fast punches and move a lot. Amateur boxing favors boxers with fast hands and boxers that can move around the ring to avoid getting hit.

Example to finish and make my point, you see a lot of gold medals in the amateurs from cuba but you dont see many from mexico or PR. That's because in cuba when they teach a boxer how to fight their goal is to help that boxer win a medal someday. In mexico and PR the goal is to help that boxer make it in the pros.

So from the start a young boxer in PR is taught to go to the body to hit with power. The style you need to win in the amateurs is different than the style you need to be successful in the pros.

It wouldnt supprise me if there were hundreds of boxers in cuba that couldve been great in the pros but never made the olympic team. Because they probably fought like chavez or trinidad. Strong fighters with power and resistance that werent much of dancers in the ring.

Can you win with the amateur style in the pros, yes but you have to adjust it a lot. You have to learn to go to the body more. You cant be dancing all 12 rds are you'll lose your legs on the later rds. If you fight in the amateurs for a long period of time it'll be hard to change your fighting style.

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Yunier Dorticos is 10-0 with 10 KO's, 8 of which are in the 1rst Round. . . Willie Herring has proved to be nearly impossible to knock out. I look forward to seeing what happens in this one. I'd be impressed if Dorticos can stop Herring.

 

PR, I know where u coming from and I'll answer, most boxer in the amateurs don't concentrate in hurting the opponent, they just score points (C Yan Barthelemy) and move a lot, professional boxing is hurting your opponent, is that right? Now some amateurs like Gamboa, Rigondeaux, Lara, Gomez, casamayor, Dorticos, Hurtado etc.. will learn to sit on their punches and hurt his adversaries, others like Barthelemy don't (although he is learning the hard way, he has KO 4 of his last 6 or 7 opponents), so it has to do more with the fighter than the amateurs, in both you need to adapt and is up to the boxer to do it, at the end is a hurting business more or less, and Cubans has been around since the early 20's, having the great Kid Chocolate as his first Champion (2 different weight class) and second as a Latin boxer.