Better athlete + Great work ethic + Smarts + Desire >>> Fighter than Average athlete + Great Work ethic + Smarts + Desire
atsch Back to same old story, what makes Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, etc world champions average athletes? Bunch of geniuses in other forum were saying it's the speed, agility etc, and they set a criteria such as running speed and juking... . I guess NFL are the best Athletes in the world because thats ALL they do...
You can be a Judo and BJJ champ without so much relying on athleticsm but technique and leverage. You know Helio Gracie and his sons right? No one will tell you that Helio is a great athlete because the man himself said he is not. He said he was a weakling and sickly, remember that? This is why wrestlers who are a different level athletically are the dominant discipline in MMA, they take the fights where they want it even w/o any other skills. Coleman, Kerr, Frye, early Couture. This is why GSP (who is more athletic than BJ and other WW) is so dominant. When one watches GSP and this is now very "real world", one cant help but notice that this guy is much faster and stronger than most of his opponents. He is an example of a better athlete, like Rogan says 200 times everytime GSP fight. "GSP is possibly the best athlete ever in the history of MMA". Now Rogan is saying that not only to praise GSP but to imply that this is a big advantage that GSP possessed. Rogan is not saying GSP the best athlete and say thats why he will lose, he is saying GSP is a great athlete thats why hes very hard to beat!
Who said that? . I sure didnt. All I said was if NFL players who are predominantly blacks had focused on MMA or for arguments sake wrestling, then they definitely would have made a big impact on MMA had they made the transition. MMA would have more GSPs, Randy, Hendo, Rashads...more athletic fighters.
The argument started after BewareofDawg said that NFL players are light years ahead of MMA fighters in terms of athleticism. Then I think it was you who came back with "imagine such and such NFL player, it would be DAAAMN!!" meaning those individuals would dominate? NFL players are not better athletes than MMA fighters. African Americans are not better athletes than other races. End of discussion.
Yes NFL players in aggregate are better athletes than MMA fighters. We had this poll and people agreed, if we end the discussion then more people think the way I do about the subject. African Americans are great athletes, whether better than other races, its been studied, I dont give a rats ass whats the conclusion. My point is this had these african americans who chose other sports chose MMA, MMA would be much better in quality. The qualities needed to play football, fast twitch muscle fibers (speed/power combo) is very condusive to MMA, as the wrestlers and GSP as proven.
No one could objectively put a decent criteria on how NFL players are better athletes. You just said it yourself wrestlers are just as good of athletes. Everyone tried sticking in running and juking and other crap in there. Doesn't work like that.
Its the similar attributes. The speed, explosion, power combo that makes it an advantage. I never onced said NFL players are better than Wrestlers, If you read all my posts, Im biased towards wrestlers, I may not like their style coz most are boring as ****s but, you have to look at things objectively. Also Ive always clarified it as "If they trained MMA" not saying that they fight now in their offseason.
All those attributes are used too different to judge fairly. Same way you can't compare a runner to a swimmer. There's nothing you can say, do, twist, or turn to make a fair argument to rate athleticism on those.
Swimmers, runners, rugby, hockey.. If the pros of these sports had trained MMA instead, theyd be more athletic than half the guys in MMA now. They are all athletic in different ways Theyre all more athletic than Gabe Rudiguer
Oh... my... ****ing... god. You are so obtuse its not even funny. For like 20th time now, how are BJJ, Judo, Wrestling and now MMA champions are less athletic? HOW DO YOU RATE IT? What makes the athletic abilities of BJJ practitioners less athletic? WHAT MAKES IT LESS ATHLETIC? Can you answer the question or no? What exactly makes them less athletic? How practicing years upon years an art that 100% requires physical agility, strength, speed, etc etc, less athletic? What makes them LESS athletic? P.S. WHAT EXACTLY makes them less athletic?
Its like explaining to a cat how to work a computer (never gonna happen)..........its futile at best..........dont worry let the man write more and more and his own narrow minded, biased views which generate his conlusions come to fruitation in the light of logic. In the end let him hang himself rather keep debating him.
