Matt Hamill is an athlete, whetehr elite or not is debatable. Hamill has tons of holes in his game, thats why he loses BTW GSP for proof mentioned that he would have been at least a pro at playing Hockey whether he was NHL good is debatable but he sure could have made the OHL, WHL, Quebec Hockey league. he was a good athlete already.
But what i'm saying basically, is that, yeah black have advantage in agility and speed, caucasian have advantage in strenght and hand eye coordination.. If you put 100 randoms black people and 100 random white or latino people in a mma gym, you have as many chance to be the best if you are white or latino as you have chance if you are black....
Im not sure about that, some talents or skills are better suited for different activities. Ill give you an example I dont think Ping Pong players who have incredible hand eye coordination will do well in MMA.
:rofl:rofl:rofl Now white people better have better hand eye coordination and strength???? Ok dude, whatever.
Hand Eye Coordination. Now in all these sports, in history, there have been far more whites participate then Blacks. Tiger Woods is the best golfer ever Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever Jerry Rice is the best reciever Cassius Clay is the best boxer ever Barry Bonds is the home run king Now, what were you saying about hand eye coordination?? Jesus man, and I'm Irish Catholic and even think this is bull****.
Im Filipino Catholic and I cant disagree. You know what Im sure off, if some black athletes starts playing Hockey, I wouldnt be surprised if they do great at that too. Its physiology 101. Its that simple, they are more muscular (high twitch muscle fibers)in nature. Nothing wrong with that every race has advantages.
Michael Jordan isnt the best pure shooter ever. Tiger Woods is as much asian that he is black Jerry Rice, yes is the greatest receiver. Cassius Clay isnt the best boxer ever, go learn boxing ,aint saying that the best boxer is white, but srr is. Barry Bonds is a cheat **** home run king. You might wanna know that hitting home run, dont mean he is the best pure hitter..Ishiro is
QuebecWarrior let's end this debate. I think we took it far enough. We're all here for fun, or to get through the work day or whatever, not to get angry.
Its hard to predict what is going to happen in the future but it does look like MMA (well the UFC anyway) is doing well. They badly need competition for the sake of the fighters and also the fans. Affliction are around but im not sure if they are the one as it looks like they will only do a few shows this year. If its Affliction or another org lets hopes someone does manage to compete with the UFC in the near future. The MMA scene in Japan is struggling at the moment and hopefully it improves soon. I always bang on about it but Dream and Sengoku really need to join forces. Maybe that could be the spark that gets Japanaese fans interested again? I am not going to comment about the fighters. :nut
I don't see why you're bringing this up to prove your point. Fedor Emelianenko , who's smaller than Lesnar and Herring...Was mauling Heath. And basically forced the guy and his team to simply abandon the fight. Lesnar was lay and praying for the most part , didn't finish him...honestly the highlight of the fight was that super punch that he landed at the beginning but apart from that ? Also , i wasn't personally impressed with his victory over Couture for several reasons. First of all , experienced or not...Couture is still 44 or 45 ****ing years old. Second of all , Lesnar , who's not only physically much bigger , but who's also younger...Was at one point getting controlled & even outwrestled by the older , smaller Couture. Thirdly , the final insult... Lesnar was gassed before landing that punch. Clearly drained. No matter what happens in his rematch against Mir , whether he loses again or whether he KOs mir out cold in the first has no importance..Anything this guy can do has been done better by his predecesors...He's bringing nothing new to the table. (or maybe his wwe like **** talk )... His physic is impressive but so what ? We've already seeen a 350 lbs Sapp...There's a point where size gets ridiculous anyway. (Hong man Choi).. if we're only talking about athleticism and not size...then it's also irrelevant. (for the reasons i talked about in my pervious post). If Kevin Randleman (who's a not just a superb athlete , but also a guy who's got insane physical strength ) , anyway if Kev had Werdum's ground game...He'd probably still be ranked at the top 5 today but he isn't. If Belfort (another gifted athlete ) had Rogerio's bjj & endurance...we wouldn't be talking about an "old belfort" because he'd still be a wrecking machine even today... (of course , those two are bad examples since Belfort had to deal with the loss of his sister & Kevin had several personal misfortune too , and a bunch of problems with his body )... Still , two awesome athletes , but also two perfect example of WHY the issue you brought up is irrelevant in this sport. In boxing , when you have a prime Lennox you're in deep ****ing ****...(unless you pull some kinda Rahman upset or if your name is Vitali)...But otherwise , due to the guy's size and athleticism...chances are..You're gonna get ****ed like everyone else.. The very same guy , with the same size , body type and athleticism...wouldn't necessarily be as problematic in mma , even against a guy like...let's say , Kharitonov. IF the smartest of the two...IF the most endurant and knowledgeable (in bjj , sambo & wrestling ) happens to be Kharitonov... His chances of winning are more than legit. (see my previous post ...in the video i showed you with Manhoef vs Akiyama). The correct timing , the decisive move , the smart decisions...not to mention , the chin !...there's so many things that go into the equation that no particular race or type of athlete is ever gonna have the priviledge to dominate this sport. I can understand how some would think that way (thanks to boxing and the afro american's favorite dish , the "white american can" ) but it doesn't work that way under different rules.. And that's precisely what guys like Roach can't understand either... The types of athletes you're talking about already exist by the way. But a majority of them aren't at the top. There's a few of them who are doing pretty good for themselves. First name that comes to mind is Antonio Junior silva ( an athletic super heavy who's got legit submission skills and who's very powerful )...but that didn't stop the lard ass Eric Pele from finishing him in less than 3 minutes.. (which would be unthinkable under any different circumstances). (it's a bit like Butterbean beating a guy like Brewster or Chagaev..though it may be an exaggeration , the comparison isn't too far fetched )... But this **** happens in mma. Because both fighters constantly have to think about the other guy trying to take him down or landing a low kick or a knee , or slaming him etc...etc.. And maybe in a way , that's the fun thing of the sport (the beauty of the sport). There's max suspense because we now know how common it is to see these things happen. That's why many are still nervous when fedor is about to fight (even though we all know that he's supposed to win..) but in reality...who the **** really knows for sure ? nobody. it can't be a total certainty. When a prime Wlad Klitschko fights Chris Byrd , or when a prime Lennox is confronted to a guy like Morrison , you more or less know what to expect. But that ain't the same in mma. Who knew that Hunt (especially him) would end up giving Emelianenko (guy with the best balance on the ground) a 7 min battle on the ground ? I certainly wasn't expecting it.. Or that Quinton Jackson would end up struggling and barely winning a split dec against Lindland ? (sure we can argue and say that Lindland is afterall a silver medal in greco ) but still...Jackson wasn't able to KO him in time..and yet , Jackson's overall mma technic is pretty far from being one dimensional.. Was anyone expecting Gonzaga to ko crocop by HIGHKICK no less ! (a ****ing bjj fighter...KOing a top kickboxer by hk how ironic ! ) That's the type of **** you see happening in this sport. Is it a good or bad thing ? is it a plague for the sport ? yes and no. If you're afanboy..then it can be quite annoying seeing your "champ" losing his belt every now & thn. if you're just a fan of the sport...then you eventually get used to it. What to expect from the future of this sport ? a bit of everything..it's gonna be very international for one. That's something all fighters (americans in particular) will have to deal with , even more so than today. And MANY upsets..it's gonna be virtually impossible to have this wrecking athletic beast pulling a tysonesque like terror on any divisions...(because it isn't boxing)...(even if you're feeding the guy monumental cans)..it's not gonna work.
Is this guy still babbling on 5 pages later? :huh Look, as you've said yourself, youve only seen a couple of UFC events and don't know much about the sorts of skills and talents it takes to be a good fighter. Being good at football just means your good at football. Some people are good at many sports, but its not that simple, the type of talent it takes to be a fighter is different to being a football player. Larry Holmes could never have been an NFL player, and no NFL players could have been better boxers than Larry Holmes. You've grown up thinking that NFL and NBA are the best athlets in the world (and they are - at what they do), but the rest of the world doesnt think like that.
I think weve made this more trivial than we needed too. The point missed here is that had MMA been an established sport, for arguments sake lets say 100 years it would have attracted the best of the best. This is all about money, more so than anything else. Theres a reason Machida is yelling in english almost desperately promoting himself. He wants be be famous, the star. Now lets redefine what best athletes mean. People are born athletes. Guys like bewareofdog had mentioned. People inherently blessed with an abundance of natural ability that athletic endeavors come easier to them than others. Theres a ton of them, although MMA has shown an abundance of techniques and skill (which are learned), theres a very few who fit into this elite athlete category. Boxingcar made an example of Couture, Lesnar and Randleman, throw in Lindland. These guys competition wise are way past their primes. RAndy when he stepped in the Octagon was almost 30 and yet many would argaubly consider him the best fighter in the UFC historically. Now this is the important part, Randy, Brock these guys didnt make the Olympics, they were great but still not elite level. The 1 million dollar question is what happened to the hundreds or even thousands of wrestlers around the world better than Randy and Brock?? Where are these guys? Based on what the few have accomplished, we can definitely assume that the prospect of success would have been high for a Dan Gable if he had joined the UFC at 22 years of age. I'll tell you what, you pay fighters like Affliction paid AA for a fight and you will see a movement towards mma of kids very athletically gifted to MMA. And yes future NFL, Hockey, Rugby, Boxers, Wrestlers are a part of that pool of talent. Have them train with the best coaches of every discipline, Im pretty sure that they would have a considerably higher rate of success in MMA than average athletic guys who relies only on honed skills and techniques. And Boxingcar mentioned Gonzaga koing Crocop and MMas unpredictability. This is because the sport has not evolved to a point that theres alot of dominant talents unlike in Boxing. You have a handful of guys who can will their skills over another with little risk of losing. And lastly you have to give Lesnar credit for beating some of the guys hes beaten, are you kidding??, you wont give him credit for beating Mir?? This guy wasnt even thinking of MMA 3 years ago (making us laugh in WWE) and now hes a 30 year old UFC Heavyweight champ. And you critize his victories like Randy's victories were any more exciting. Lesnars vicotry of Herring was more impressive than Fedors victory over Heath. Fedor is the greatest fighter in MMAs history, Brock is a newbie. Hell yeah Brocks was more impressive
