The Game Plan to beat Mayweather ?

Someone giving an opinion of a forum?!

Oh no :scaredas:

 

VADA testing 100% CIR testing each time they collect samples

 

especially with them shot legs of his:yep

 

Jab is a boxers best weapon, or it should be. You can measure distance, block shots, disrupt rhythm, set up your own offense.

 

Not saying these guys can or cannot beat floyd but these guys got ambush styles.

Pacman, Khan,

berto can be if he uses the ring.

 

First genetic breeding to develope a fighter who is taller, stronger, faster and tougher. Give him a spartan like training regime and tell him to walk forwards jabbing to the head then steam rolling to the body in 8 punch combos.


Paying the ref would help too.

 

I don't think there's any one gameplan or style. Multiple styles or tactics can be effective. The trouble is getting a fighter who has the tools to execute these tactics or strategies.

For an inside fight plan, you'd need to be able to cut off the ring, be bigger, and have a good jab to help clear the way forward. Having a rather open guard/keeping the hands somewhat low to entice Mayweather into throwing at you and leaving himself open is also a good idea, but you'd need to have a great chin to withstand getting tagged every once in awhile. Good head movement to avoid getting hit too much is also a must if your hands are going to be low to get Mayweather to throw at you so you could fire back. You'd also need to keep a very high workrate and have awesome stamina. Duran fits these qualities the best, but guys such as Pryor and JCC would also give Mayweather fits.

Recently, Cotto's mistake in trying to go the pressure route was that he went in with a high, static guard without a whole lot of head movement. There were too many times during the fight where Cotto marched forward, trying to block Mayweather's shots, back him up, and then muscle him into the ropes or the corners, and then start punching. This was bad because there were large stretches of time where Mayweather looped rights around his high guard, and generally kept up a high volume of punches because Cotto wasn't punching back a whole lot during his advance. The high guard and lack of head movement didn't allow Cotto to throw punches or jab his way in, or entice Mayweather into exchanges where he could get hit.

Meanwhile, there are two routes to go with an outside fight plan. The first is an active, offensive plan. To do that, a tall, fast, long boxer is the best bet. They would have to fight tall, throw lots of jabs, and use lots of lateral movement in the center of the ring to circle Mayweather and dish out combinations at range on the move. Mixing up the jab between the head and body to set up big straight punches upstairs would also be a good tactic, as Mosley showed in the second round of his fight. Having good punch variety (hooks to the body, uppercuts following straight punches, etc) would also be important, to keep Mayweather guessing occasionally. Historically, there are more guys who could execute this gameplan than the inside fight, including prime DLH, SRL, SRR, Hearns, and Vernon Forrest. Julian Jackson, while not as skilled as the other guys mentioned ahead of him, has a great chance of victory with his size, solid skills, and devastating power at 154.

The other route to go would be an outside defensive plan; in other words, beat Mayweather at what he does; impose a tactical chess match on him and make him be the aggressor. To do this, you have to be even slicker, and either much bigger or more active and dynamic offensively. Historically, the two guys who could beat Mayweather with a defensive gameplan like this are Winky Wright and Pernell Whitaker. Today, Sergio Martinez with his speed, athleticism, reflexes, accuracy, and power is more than capable of baiting Mayweather into being the aggressor and making him pay for it.

Bigger fighters with well-rounded skillsets who could fight in a number of ways and switch tactics up would also be a big challenge for Mayweather. A guy like Mike McCallum would be too much for him.

Thus, there is no single golden gameplan for victory. There are several different approaches to go with, and a number of effective tactics that we've seen, but executing for a whole fight requires a fighter at the right point in his career with the right attributes.

 

This is a great post.

1. Its difficult to cut off the ring on Mayweather, he only moves when he has to. Much like billiards, a higher level of boxing is a game of angles. Mayweather fights at angles. You cant cut the ring off on him. He does not move around more than he has to. Mayweather also knows how to control the ring, if there is a conflict of interests as pertains where the positioning is against Mayweather, prepare to exchange.

2. Cotto didn't make any mistakes in his fight against Mayweather. He was simply out-boxed, badly. When he and Floyd were in the paint. Floyd used range and tagged him (looping rights you talked about). Against the ropes or moving along the ropes, Floyd had better defense and timing. Cotto fought good, Mayweather fought better.

3. This paragraph has Khan all over it. I agree with some of things you pointed out here. But I think generally you just described almost all tall boxers at WW.
Khan and Mayweather would be a good fight. Im picking Mayweather.


4. Worst route. This involves someone beating Mayweather at his own game. A defensive mirror match, if you will. This reeks of pot-shottery. Mayweather wins.


Floyd Mayweather Jr is arguably the best boxer in the world right now. It'll take a better boxer to beat him. Is Sergio a better boxer than Mayweather?

 

I'd like to see a Khan, Pac and Berto fight.
As everyone is RIGHT NOW I pick Mayweather over Pac, Khan and Berto.

 

LOL

Or hire the Power Rangers. They could do it.

 

Wonderful, well thought out post. :good.

 

Floyd at 35 is beatable.

 

Unfortunately for Khan, he doesn't have nearly the power or punching technique of somebody like the guys I mentioned. Khan is a very good fighter, not a great fighter. He still fights with an amateurish flurrying style. He does have good power when he commits to single punches, but he either does weak flurries or hard, single shots. He seemingly has yet to figure out how to put together hard combinations. Mayweather is at least a class above him, and Khan's skill level and physical gifts aren't quite enough to give him a good chance against Mayweather at this point in time (maybe never, unless he changes trainers and drastically improves his footwork, punching technique, etc.) Stylistically, Khan matches up better than most against Mayweather on paper, but he lacks the intangibles and the technical skills that made guys like Prime DLH, SRL, SRR, Hearns, Forrest, etc. great.

As you said, Cotto fought a good fight, but Mayweather fought better. I just mentioned some errors and things I thought Cotto could have done to do better. In particular, shooting out the jab whenever Mayweather threw the looping right, or lunging in with a left to the body as soon as the looping right was thrown would have given Cotto the chance to score clean hits, and possibly force Mayweather to overshoot and miss his punch, or move backward to try and get it to hit, both of which would have been good for Cotto. In general, I think Cotto was not able to smoothly integrate defense, offense, and movement well enough. He seemed to focus on each of those things one at a time during the fight. Integration is the key.

Generally, you're right. The last approach is the hardest to pull off or consider against Mayweather, which is why it has the smallest number of examples listed. Tall offensive boxers and skilled, tough infighters with great stamina are both easier gameplans to come across that more fighters are able to execute. Defensive counterpunching in general is a harder style to pull off.

Martinez is not technically better than Floyd. Floyd possesses great technical skills. Martinez, however, is a bigger, unorthodox freakish athlete, a little like Roy Jones Jr was years ago. His size and athleticism alone would give Floyd big problems, and his style is a tough one, too. Martinez is the toughest fight for Floyd out there, and I would make Martinez a slight favorite against Floyd, mainly due to his size advantage. Floyd would deserve all the respect in the world if he took on Martinez at 154 or at a catchweight/middleweight, but he won't. Martinez is a horrible matchup that would probably beat him and Floyd knows it.

 

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unfortunately, Amir will get stopped by "Dani" and have his whole dream of a superfight with Mayweather derailed

while Amir is not elite his style would have been fun to watch against Floyd's style