The George Groves Hypetrain has left the station...

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Stunkie, May 28, 2013.


  1. Berliner

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    I dont know him.... But it will be very hard to win against Gutknecht. As he any experience with dirty fighters? because Gutknecht is one dirty sucker.
     
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    BTW: Ajisafe is fighting against Robert Woge in two weeks. Can anybody say something about Ajisafe? Only know that he went 12 rounds with Bellew. So if Woge can knock him out he can prove his power.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Yeah, he's ****ing awful to fight. Like Chilemba, on a lower level.
     
  4. Berliner

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    Well Woge is not a great fighter. Just comes with great power and great heart. Could have a hard fight then.:lol:
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    If all he has is power it might be hard for him. Ajisafe isn't really easy to hit clean on the chin. Like Chilemba he likes to move a lot, duck below the waste, grab hold, and punches from strange angles. He's quite fast and has good reflexes but he can be outworked and he doesn't really punch hard, the best bet is to get close and hit him to the body.

    I think I recall that Bellew hurt him a few times and could have taken him out, but rushed the finish and didn't pick his shots. He can be stopped, but it hasn't proven easy to do, it will be a good test of the guys power.
     
  6. Where are all these match ups coming from


    I'm pleased our domestic level fighters get good experience and
    Pay by going to the continent though
    Michael sprott made a good living out of it
     
  7. Berliner

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    So will be a good fight for Woge. I think Woge will stop him because he really has some serious power. All it needs is one punche. For me Bellews power is overrated. He could not even KO an out of prime Miranda although Miranda was already stopped many years ago at Middleweight against Abraham. For me Bellew lacks the "one punch" knock out power.:bbb
     
  8. Berliner

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    Sauerland has now three british fighters in germany. Yeah I think it is good for all fighters involved. Dickenson will have a very hard fight with Gutknecht because he is very dirty. Ajisafe also is in a hard fight with Woge because he is a very hard fighter with serious power. Problem for Woge is to deliver this power. But I think this Sauerland card will be a good one.
     
  9. I only can go by the few fights I've seen of him
    He won prizefighter when very inexperienced but his wins came over other young prospects
    He is definitely tough but I think he will be too one dimensional for a European level fighter,he was widely out pointed by bob ajisafe not long ago
     
  10. Is this the huck afolabi undercard because then we can see the fights mentioned or is it on another bill
     
  11. Berliner

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    It is. I think boxnation will show this. I really hate sky since last week. They showed advertisement when there was a fight going on. (Kölling, a german fighter from Sauerland fought). Terrible. If there is a fight you dont show ****ing advertisements!!!!:verysad:dead
     
  12. TFFP

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    I don't think Bellew has one punch power at the higher levels, no. I guess all the talk about his power comes from his amateur career, that hasn't quite worked out in the pros and a lot of his style you can see has developed through an assumption that if he throws a right hand and it connects he will take his opponent out. So he tires himself out like that.

    I think he's just a heavy handed guy, he isn't the quickest puncher in the world and he doesn't tend to surprise anybody with those long right hands, people are tending to ride those shots. His best shots are the short left hooks that stopped McKenzie and have been hurting people to the body, because they actually surprise opponents. It's more important that he realizes the importance of those shots than swinging big punches, no punchers at the highest level swing massive crude shots, they never land with full effect. I think if Bellew improved this area of his game he'd have a few more stoppages against people like Ajisafe and that Argentinian, but it remains a weakness for him. He also needs to work out how to open up a defensive minded opponent.

    Since we're in a George Groves thread, its quite easy to see why George Groves has more stoppages than Bellew. Apart from the fact he's had some opponents that are easier to stop, Groves knows the value of variety and opening up a defence, so he tends to land a lot more clean. Is Groves a natural puncher? I don't think he is, I really don't, but his knockout ratio would say something different and the difference between the two is that variety and the ability to land a sharp, surprising counter.
     
  13. Berliner

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    I agree.
    I also dont think Groves is a natrual puncher. Not like Abraham, Klitschko, Golovkin, Lucas etc.
    I think the are three parts on his game why he is stopping opponents.
    1. fast hands, so he catches his opponent clean.
    2. so far he mostly stopped guys who are quite easy to stop
    3. good counter puncher, his opponents often dont see the punches coming.
    Groves has no world class power for me. I dont think he stops many decent opponents.
     
  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I think Groves stoppage wins will come to a halt at the next level too. I see the signs in fight like Sierra where the guy was walking through a hell of a lot before he got stopped. They were real clean punches, when his success rate drops too, the stoppages won't be coming.

    The interesting thing about these matchups is why have they matched Ajisafe with Woge who is a prospect, and Dickinson who Ajisafe schooled against the more established fighter Gutknecht? It suggests they think a lot more highly about Woge.
     
  15. Berliner

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    I think so too. Also Gutknecht had a very hard battle with Brähmer so this should be an easy fight for Gutknecht before he fights at higher level again.
    Woge had a war in his last fight and Sauerland was very impressed with him. With a lot of work he really can make some noise in this division and he is very entertaining to watch. You guys will like him. Watch his last fight it was a war:lol:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LMY5nhuJmk
    You see Woge still needs to improve a lot. But he took the fight in short notice and had an injury with his hand pretty soon in the fight.:bbb Woge is the german Gatti.