As it is impossible to literally match alltime great middleweights,against each other, my criteria is this.... What fighter went out of his weight class the most times and beat the best quality oppostion, most frequently?. The only answer is Harry Greb. Followed by Fitz and Sam Langford... /
You're welcome. Nine ghosts and one fat man thank you all. .............. Faces from The God of War Below is Mechanics Hall in Boston. It was demolished in 1959 to make way for the Prudential Center. I was there just a couple of weeks ago, paying tribute to the site of of where Greb faced Kid Norfolk. This content is protected Up the street and to the right was the Sunning Restaurant where they served "Chinese and American food" and across the street was the Boston-Albany trainyard. William Ward, AKA Kid Norfolk: This content is protected He whipped.... Big Bill Tate (from CBZ): This content is protected Battling Siki: This content is protected Siki was "choking on his own blood" after Norfolk got done with him. But look at those biceps. Damn.
Stonehand, great photos you posted...In the 1940s I would as a youngster visit Stillmans Gym almost weekly...Saw a lot of oldtime greats long retired by then..One old grey haired guy was tall Harry Wills, and another ex fighter I was told was Kid Norfolk...Norfolks name did'nt mjean much to me then,until later I learned he and Greb were bitter rivals in the roaring twenties...Time marches on...
Two Gods of War itching for a fight. One was in his prime, the other half-blind and past it. This content is protected
Yes, I know that both Wills and Norfolk were fixtures over at Grupp's (and had a hand in Robinson's development as I wrote), and it sounds like they would drift over to Stillman's too and why not!
Stonehands, Fantastic work! As a fan of boxing it has been a real pleasure reading these pieces. I think it is very safe to say that all of us here greatly appreciate your efforts in this endeavor. Your works brought 'The Gods of War' back to life! Salute!!! Addendum: What a piece on Greb! Really enjoyed the details on Kid Norfolk! What a killer he was!
Greb's actual personality is murkier because of time. Therefore his essence was somewhat open to interpretation. Thus, "great and terrible." The details of this and all of the fight accounts are as accurate as possible. I took poetic license only rarely and only when it could be done without mucking up the record. For example, the image of Greb walking back to his corner looking "menacingly over his shoulder" is my own assumption. It was inspired by... Hagler at the end of round 1 against Hearns. What a beautiful image. Every shot described is a confirmed one. So isn't the color of his "trademark trunks", Norfolk's "bowing low" to the crowd, the African-American crowd awaiting him at South Station (and their walking down from the South End which was predominantly black in the 20s), the prevalence of "fedoras" and Model Ts on Huntington Ave. All true.
Dam my imagination for leading me astray again. Tell you what, i'll delete my post pointing it out now really quick, then you delete the one replying to it, and it's forgotten about faster than Charley Burley