What was it in response to? Aint read Ring in donkeys. Also one thing I like about Burley is he paid his dues, in the ring and out. After he retired instead of sitting on his arse moping around saying he could have been champ, he got out and worked hard. Absoloute legend.
Stonehand....I recall that in1942 I believ I as a boy first heard the name Charley Burley...My father [ without me ],went to watch a preliminary boxer he liked at the time...Forgot his name of course....He came home late that night, never mentioned the prelim boy, but raved about a fighter in the main event...The fighters name was Charley Burley who ko'd his opponent in the first round....The next morning I read an article in our paper about a Charley Burley,who was too impressive...The boxing writer said this victory did'nt help Burley's career, and "now New Yorkers know firsthand,why Burley is avoided"...I believe Burley was a great fighter and technician, but did not have Ray Robinson"s charisma or :let it all hang out attack". Thus Ray was a greater drawing card, and not necessarily the greater fighter...Who knows?....
That KO your pop saw may have been Phil McQuillan at St. Nick's Arena, in '42. I think I remember seeing that article too, believe it or not. And I agree with you when you imply that his color had less to do with his being avoided than his ability and style. Billy Graham was white and avoided for the same reason. So wasn't the WW LaMotta who faced the Row to his everlasting credit.
I think i'm right in saying that Phil McQuillan was also the Burley fight JG saw live. GP, it was a letter in response to an article about Paul Williams which mentions Burley as a much avoided fighter. There was something along the lines of "yeah, Williams might be avoided but I bet Burley would have liked his money/property".
Stonehand, A little anecdote if I may...My father took me to St Nicks Arena 1941,I believe...As we were handing our ticket at the turnstyle,a young boxer holding a little gym bag was allowed in free...He turned out to be one of the prelim fighters fighting that night...Name Billy Graham, just starting out...Graham to me at that time looked exactly like a comic movie star at that time, named Eddie Bracken...My pop agreed with the resemblance to eddie Bracken...after that I saw Graham mature into a great Boxer,light hitter with a CAST iron chin...I never saw him hurt...Of course he never tackled Ray Robinson....Smart move by Irving Cohen, his mgr....
Thanks. Like I say everything I read about Burley he seems a real proud guy who worked for everything.
Great work (though I resent the title). , I'm going to send it to my brother who is a big Holyfield fan.
Thank you. From ESPN.com: This content is protected <--- controversial loss against Gavilan. From CBZ This content is protected
Wow, what a journey you took us on, Stonehands. What an incredible, grueling showdown you described between Greb and Kid Norfolk, capturing so much period detail. I think this post of yours goes some way to explaining why the series is so rewarding...you've put so much love and dedication into it, to get every detail as accurate as possible. Even when you add a detail of your own, you give it enough thought that it reflects the way other elite warriors have acted. That detail about Hagler revealed the reverent, mythic way you look at boxing, its warriors and it's gods. Congratulations again on a wonderful piece of work.
A few posters requested to see #11-20. I have just about figured out who will place #11-25. There are a few ties, though, so I may use decimals if I can't break them up. We'll call them the This content is protected . Or whatever. No articles yet -I haven't decided yet if I will. I have to take a look at the final list and see if there are enough connections among them as well as good material to maintain the quality of the first 10. I'm working on a manuscript now with this working title: "The Gods of War: Boxing Essays to Convert the Literate" -At this point, the manuscript has the 11 GoW articles as well as others about Liston, Pacquiao, Booker, and the death of Arguello. It spans the 20th century and brings the reader right up to Manny Pacquiao. If inspired to do another 15 articles, I'll leave out the other essays and call the 26 articles: "The Gods of War: Counting Down the Greatest Boxers of the Modern Era" I don't know what the hell to do. The first version may invite a wider audience -po$$ibly, but the second seems better for purists. Any suggestions are welcome.
I'd rather see the 11-25 made up in articles aswell, because I have read the other articles. But your first option sounds more appealing to a fan of the sport. I love the first title though.