The Golovkin-Martirosyan Match Serves As An Excellent & Revelatory Proxy Measuring Stick.

Badbot · Apr 25, 2018

IsaL said: ↑

Zero real experience hitting MWs let alone a career MW
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Yes. But to go from 154 to 160 is not as drastic as to go from 175 to 200.

Braindamage · Apr 25, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

This is another quick off the cuff impromptu stream of consciousness rant.....

Not long ago, in a land not very far away, lived a legion of much ballyhooed fabled monsters that were being avoided like the bubonic plague, the land of the Light Middleweights, where the bigger, stronger, taller, heavier handed, equally skilled Middleweights feared to tread, they dreaded it deeply. As a matter of fact they were practically mortified. The terrifying inhabitants were as slick as ****d up seals, and as fast as turbo charged gazelles, and the lumbering addled brained ogres at Middleweight who move about as fast as constipated hippopotamuses, were no match at all. Well.... at least in theory, but sadly not many of these lions wanted to make the trip up north to prove it themselves. Well on May 5th 2018, we get to see that theory put to a test. Kind of... by proxy...

Vanes "The Nightmare" Martirosyan hasn't just tangled with one but three of these highly touted supposed stylistic nightmares for Golovkin, and he didn't lose convincingly to a one. So if Erislandy Lara, Demetrius "Boo Boo" Andrade and Jermell Charlo are so untouchable and being avoided at all costs, one should assume that the guy who gave all three of them absolute hell and arguably beat or drew with them, would be a good barometer to measure Golovkin's overall worth with.

Vanes fought on even terms not once, but twice against Erislandy Lara, their first match ended due to a clash of heads, that left Vanes' eyebrow gruesomely split wide open, it was rightfully scored a draw after 9 rounds of action. It was the very definition of a tit for tat tactical match, Vanes more than held his own, negating every adjustment Lara made with one of his own. They rematched in May of 2016, and one could argue that the second played out in a similar fashion as the first, the judges scorecards are a little wider than they should have been, the majority of Lara fans only had it 115-112 on the RBR on here, and when you take into consideration that that idiot Vic Drakulich docked poor Vanes a point for a low blow that was beyond unintentional in a round Vanes was doing fairly good in, that point somewhat threw off the entire flow of the rest of the match, making Vanes more cautious for the rest of the 11th and 12th. Would he have fought more intelligently and won had that point not been taken? Probably not, but a draw could have definitely been in the cards. Then when you take into consideration most of the rounds that Lara won and Vanes lost, were basically 55-45 type affairs, the reality is, these two are the definition of evenly matched.

The loss on Vanes' record to Jermell Charlo isn't what I'd a call highway robbery, the fight was close, Pinoy and I scored it for Vanes by a point, IB scored it a draw, did you notice, none of us actually scored it for Jermell? A SD loss wouldn't have been all that egregious, a split or majority draw would have been acceptable, but of course it was scored fairly wide for the undefeated A-side money fighter. People like to talk up the post-Vanes Jermell and crow about how vastly improved a fighter he is, but is he? Let's take a closer look, he beat John Jackson, Erickson Lubin and Charles Hatley. The violently KO'd cold by Lee glass jawed Jackson was schooling him up until he got sparked out, but that's what he was brought in for wasn't it? Everyone remembers the KO, but forgot the match leading up to it, which was one sided in Jackson's favor. As far as Hatley goes, who cares, the guy was KO'd in 1 by Lanardo Tyner, whose best win was an ancient Mundine who was coming off of being beaten down and dominated by Joshua Clottey. Hatley was brought in to lose by KO, and lose by KO he did. Lubin, it was far too soon for such a step up in class, and who knew, he had a glass mandible as well. None of these guys are world beaters. Jermell is still the same guy that fought Vanes, no better, no worse. So you can't use the, oh... but Jermell was unseasoned argument here. Stylistically Vanes, like with Lara, would always be an issue for Jermello.

Now onto the clearest loss of Vanes' career, to Andrade, and that was via a non controversial SD, because it could have gone either way as well. Since I scored it 114-113 for Boo Boo, I personally don't think Vanes was robbed, but its the closest anyone has come to beating Andrade yet, especially when you throw in the early knockdown Vanes scored. Like with Lara and Jermell, each and every round, especially in the first half were close and could have been scored in either direction, Andrade seemed to take control midway through with Vanes nicking a round or two late. Now remember, this was the prime beastly version of Boo Boo that everyone in the vicinity of Light Middleweight was supposedly terrified of sharing the ring with, well Vanes took him to the brink, like he did Charlo and Lara. Vanes then went on to dominate Willie Nelson in a similar fashion as Boo Boo softening him up in the process, and yeah I know, Andrade stopped Willie and Vanes didn't, yes... but, Vanes' match was a 10 rounder, Andrade stopped Willie in the 12th. Andrade is better than Vanes, but only slightly, by the thinnest of butt whiskers.

Okay, onto the 800 pound elephant in the room.....

Vanes hasn't stepped in the ring for 2 years, so that clearly should be taken into consideration here, but.... its not like he stayed on the sidelines scarfing down cheeseburgers and fries gorging himself all the way up to 210 pound Heavyweights like those two pre-Canelo repulsive gluttonous disgraces Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and James Kirkland either, Vanes has clearly been keeping himself in great shape and is a well known gymrat constantly sparring and training out of the Glendale Boxing Club in his hometown. So he'll be sharp and ready to rumble, and its not like other guys who've had 1-2 year layoffs haven't gotten right back in the ring and took guys to the brink, after all.... look what Wlad almost did to Joshua after a year and a half layoff, but unlike Wlad, Vanes isn't in his 40's and had to deal with a ton of injuries along with personal and professional strife to bog his mind and body down with. If anything this may be a fresher, sharper, more motivated and rejuvenated Vanes, who quite frankly is fighting at his proper weight, Vanes isn't a tiny guy, he's got 1, maybe 2 inches of a height advantage over GGG, depending on what stats you're reading, and the same reach. Vanes is a big Light Middleweight, that could have fought at 160 his whole career. Also if Brook could hang for 5 rounds, who has a decent chin, then so can Vanes, who probably has a better chin than almost anyone GGG has faced. He was down against Roman and Ouma, but I've seen both of those matches and they were flash knockdowns, in fact he kipped up HBK style after Ouma dropped him with a hook in the 9th, he wasn't even close to being hurt by either.

So if we're to believe that Lara, Charlo, Andrade and by association Hurd, Trout and the Evil Twin, who are at a similar level, could hang with and possibly beat Gennady Golovkin, then shouldn't that same courtesy apply to a guy who should have a win over one of them, and arguably draws against the other two? Vanes is every bit their equal, he's smart, tactical, defensively fairly sound, deceptively slick and an all around solid fighter, who's never decisively been outclassed in any match he's participated in. And remember, this is a fresh as a daisy Vanes, who probably needed a rest, fighting an old, decrepit shell of Gennady Golovkin, one that struggled with a fighter in Canelo Alvarez, who with all due respect, performed just as well, maybe even slightly less impressively than Vanes did against Lara.

If anyone has ever wanted to see how well GGG would perform against those guys, Vanes is the proverbial measuring stick. So when and if Gennady Golovkin beats Vanes Martirosyan, I want all of the people who said GGG was ducking Lara, Canelo, Andrade, the Charlo's, Hurd, Trout etc. to give the man his props if he defeats the man who is every bit as good and close to evenly matched with the whole lot of them. He's for all intents and purposes, their equal, so treat him like it.

Poor GGG, if many a boxing sage and prophet are to be believed.....

He doesn't know what kind of nightmare he's gotten himself to.

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Your thesis fell apart rather quickly! Hippos are extremely fast! They can out run any human. Soooo, you're wrong on all accounts! LOL

Serge · Apr 25, 2018

Braindamage said: ↑

Your thesis fell apart rather quickly! Hippos are extremely fast! They can out run any human. Soooo, you're wrong on all accounts! LOL
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He was comparing them to gazelles

Gazelle speed

97 km/h

Hippopotamus speed

30 km/h

Gazelle vs Hippopotamus

Not Human vs Hippopotamus

Or even Gazelle vs Half human/Half hybrid ala Andre ''The Petrified Gazelle'' Dirrell vs Donkeypotamus Wilder

BCS8 · Apr 25, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

This is another quick off the cuff impromptu stream of consciousness rant.....

Not long ago, in a land not very far away, lived a legion of much ballyhooed fabled monsters that were being avoided like the bubonic plague, the land of the Light Middleweights, where the bigger, stronger, taller, heavier handed, equally skilled Middleweights feared to tread, they dreaded it deeply. As a matter of fact they were practically mortified. The terrifying inhabitants were as slick as ****d up seals, and as fast as turbo charged gazelles, and the lumbering addled brained ogres at Middleweight who move about as fast as constipated hippopotamuses, were no match at all. Well.... at least in theory, but sadly not many of these lions wanted to make the trip up north to prove it themselves. Well on May 5th 2018, we get to see that theory put to a test. Kind of... by proxy...

Vanes "The Nightmare" Martirosyan hasn't just tangled with one but three of these highly touted supposed stylistic nightmares for Golovkin, and he didn't lose convincingly to a one. So if Erislandy Lara, Demetrius "Boo Boo" Andrade and Jermell Charlo are so untouchable and being avoided at all costs, one should assume that the guy who gave all three of them absolute hell and arguably beat or drew with them, would be a good barometer to measure Golovkin's overall worth with.

Vanes fought on even terms not once, but twice against Erislandy Lara, their first match ended due to a clash of heads, that left Vanes' eyebrow gruesomely split wide open, it was rightfully scored a draw after 9 rounds of action. It was the very definition of a tit for tat tactical match, Vanes more than held his own, negating every adjustment Lara made with one of his own. They rematched in May of 2016, and one could argue that the second played out in a similar fashion as the first, the judges scorecards are a little wider than they should have been, the majority of Lara fans only had it 115-112 on the RBR on here, and when you take into consideration that that idiot Vic Drakulich docked poor Vanes a point for a low blow that was beyond unintentional in a round Vanes was doing fairly good in, that point somewhat threw off the entire flow of the rest of the match, making Vanes more cautious for the rest of the 11th and 12th. Would he have fought more intelligently and won had that point not been taken? Probably not, but a draw could have definitely been in the cards. Then when you take into consideration most of the rounds that Lara won and Vanes lost, were basically 55-45 type affairs, the reality is, these two are the definition of evenly matched.

The loss on Vanes' record to Jermell Charlo isn't what I'd a call highway robbery, the fight was close, Pinoy and I scored it for Vanes by a point, IB scored it a draw, did you notice, none of us actually scored it for Jermell? A SD loss wouldn't have been all that egregious, a split or majority draw would have been acceptable, but of course it was scored fairly wide for the undefeated A-side money fighter. People like to talk up the post-Vanes Jermell and crow about how vastly improved a fighter he is, but is he? Let's take a closer look, he beat John Jackson, Erickson Lubin and Charles Hatley. The violently KO'd cold by Lee glass jawed Jackson was schooling him up until he got sparked out, but that's what he was brought in for wasn't it? Everyone remembers the KO, but forgot the match leading up to it, which was one sided in Jackson's favor. As far as Hatley goes, who cares, the guy was KO'd in 1 by Lanardo Tyner, whose best win was an ancient Mundine who was coming off of being beaten down and dominated by Joshua Clottey. Hatley was brought in to lose by KO, and lose by KO he did. Lubin, it was far too soon for such a step up in class, and who knew, he had a glass mandible as well. None of these guys are world beaters. Jermell is still the same guy that fought Vanes, no better, no worse. So you can't use the, oh... but Jermell was unseasoned argument here. Stylistically Vanes, like with Lara, would always be an issue for Jermello.

Now onto the clearest loss of Vanes' career, to Andrade, and that was via a non controversial SD, because it could have gone either way as well. Since I scored it 114-113 for Boo Boo, I personally don't think Vanes was robbed, but its the closest anyone has come to beating Andrade yet, especially when you throw in the early knockdown Vanes scored. Like with Lara and Jermell, each and every round, especially in the first half were close and could have been scored in either direction, Andrade seemed to take control midway through with Vanes nicking a round or two late. Now remember, this was the prime beastly version of Boo Boo that everyone in the vicinity of Light Middleweight was supposedly terrified of sharing the ring with, well Vanes took him to the brink, like he did Charlo and Lara. Vanes then went on to dominate Willie Nelson in a similar fashion as Boo Boo softening him up in the process, and yeah I know, Andrade stopped Willie and Vanes didn't, yes... but, Vanes' match was a 10 rounder, Andrade stopped Willie in the 12th. Andrade is better than Vanes, but only slightly, by the thinnest of butt whiskers.

Okay, onto the 800 pound elephant in the room.....

Vanes hasn't stepped in the ring for 2 years, so that clearly should be taken into consideration here, but.... its not like he stayed on the sidelines scarfing down cheeseburgers and fries gorging himself all the way up to 210 pound Heavyweights like those two pre-Canelo repulsive gluttonous disgraces Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and James Kirkland either, Vanes has clearly been keeping himself in great shape and is a well known gymrat constantly sparring and training out of the Glendale Boxing Club in his hometown. So he'll be sharp and ready to rumble, and its not like other guys who've had 1-2 year layoffs haven't gotten right back in the ring and took guys to the brink, after all.... look what Wlad almost did to Joshua after a year and a half layoff, but unlike Wlad, Vanes isn't in his 40's and had to deal with a ton of injuries along with personal and professional strife to bog his mind and body down with. If anything this may be a fresher, sharper, more motivated and rejuvenated Vanes, who quite frankly is fighting at his proper weight, Vanes isn't a tiny guy, he's got 1, maybe 2 inches of a height advantage over GGG, depending on what stats you're reading, and the same reach. Vanes is a big Light Middleweight, that could have fought at 160 his whole career. Also if Brook could hang for 5 rounds, who has a decent chin, then so can Vanes, who probably has a better chin than almost anyone GGG has faced. He was down against Roman and Ouma, but I've seen both of those matches and they were flash knockdowns, in fact he kipped up HBK style after Ouma dropped him with a hook in the 9th, he wasn't even close to being hurt by either.

So if we're to believe that Lara, Charlo, Andrade and by association Hurd, Trout and the Evil Twin, who are at a similar level, could hang with and possibly beat Gennady Golovkin, then shouldn't that same courtesy apply to a guy who should have a win over one of them, and arguably draws against the other two? Vanes is every bit their equal, he's smart, tactical, defensively fairly sound, deceptively slick and an all around solid fighter, who's never decisively been outclassed in any match he's participated in. And remember, this is a fresh as a daisy Vanes, who probably needed a rest, fighting an old, decrepit shell of Gennady Golovkin, one that struggled with a fighter in Canelo Alvarez, who with all due respect, performed just as well, maybe even slightly less impressively than Vanes did against Lara.

If anyone has ever wanted to see how well GGG would perform against those guys, Vanes is the proverbial measuring stick. So when and if Gennady Golovkin beats Vanes Martirosyan, I want all of the people who said GGG was ducking Lara, Canelo, Andrade, the Charlo's, Hurd, Trout etc. to give the man his props if he defeats the man who is every bit as good and close to evenly matched with the whole lot of them. He's for all intents and purposes, their equal, so treat him like it.

Poor GGG, if many a boxing sage and prophet are to be believed.....

He doesn't know what kind of nightmare he's gotten himself to.

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GREAT post. Loved reading it You put things into the proper perspective.

Just one bone to pick with you:

https://www.livescience.com/27320-elephants.html

Elephants don't weigh 800lb. A bit more than that

BCS8 · Apr 25, 2018

uppercut_to_the_body said: ↑

Disagree. Vanes is being paid to take a dive. Watch the head to heads both fighters hugging and shaking hands like they have some sort of agreement.
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Agree, what BS is this, they're like old school buddies before slapping a steak on the barbie and chugging beer. Clearly fake, they're not going to really hit each other hard. Compare that to this:

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THAT, my friends, is REAL. You can fully see the anger and madness in that interview. That's the real world of blood and guts, not this GGG / Vanes fakery. Uppercut, like me, is not fooled by this BS.

Serge · Apr 25, 2018

Tony Loeffler makes a good point here about Derevyanchenko

Derveyanchenko and Jacobs both share the same trainer and management team and when GGG fought the later his trainer Andre Rozier said that they need a minimum of 11 to 12 weeks to train for the fight and also that it took them 3 months to negotiate that fight because Jacobs and his team were difficult to deal with with all the demands they were making. They were obviously up against the clock trying to arrange a fight for the May 5th date and they have prior experience dealing with these people and being messed around by them.

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The Akbar One · Apr 25, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

This is another quick off the cuff impromptu stream of consciousness rant.....

Not long ago, in a land not very far away, lived a legion of much ballyhooed fabled monsters that were being avoided like the bubonic plague, the land of the Light Middleweights, where the bigger, stronger, taller, heavier handed, equally skilled Middleweights feared to tread, they dreaded it deeply. As a matter of fact they were practically mortified. The terrifying inhabitants were as slick as ****d up seals, and as fast as turbo charged gazelles, and the lumbering addled brained ogres at Middleweight who move about as fast as constipated hippopotamuses, were no match at all. Well.... at least in theory, but sadly not many of these lions wanted to make the trip up north to prove it themselves. Well on May 5th 2018, we get to see that theory put to a test. Kind of... by proxy...

Vanes "The Nightmare" Martirosyan hasn't just tangled with one but three of these highly touted supposed stylistic nightmares for Golovkin, and he didn't lose convincingly to a one. So if Erislandy Lara, Demetrius "Boo Boo" Andrade and Jermell Charlo are so untouchable and being avoided at all costs, one should assume that the guy who gave all three of them absolute hell and arguably beat or drew with them, would be a good barometer to measure Golovkin's overall worth with.

Vanes fought on even terms not once, but twice against Erislandy Lara, their first match ended due to a clash of heads, that left Vanes' eyebrow gruesomely split wide open, it was rightfully scored a draw after 9 rounds of action. It was the very definition of a tit for tat tactical match, Vanes more than held his own, negating every adjustment Lara made with one of his own. They rematched in May of 2016, and one could argue that the second played out in a similar fashion as the first, the judges scorecards are a little wider than they should have been, the majority of Lara fans only had it 115-112 on the RBR on here, and when you take into consideration that that idiot Vic Drakulich docked poor Vanes a point for a low blow that was beyond unintentional in a round Vanes was doing fairly good in, that point somewhat threw off the entire flow of the rest of the match, making Vanes more cautious for the rest of the 11th and 12th. Would he have fought more intelligently and won had that point not been taken? Probably not, but a draw could have definitely been in the cards. Then when you take into consideration most of the rounds that Lara won and Vanes lost, were basically 55-45 type affairs, the reality is, these two are the definition of evenly matched.

The loss on Vanes' record to Jermell Charlo isn't what I'd a call highway robbery, the fight was close, Pinoy and I scored it for Vanes by a point, IB scored it a draw, did you notice, none of us actually scored it for Jermell? A SD loss wouldn't have been all that egregious, a split or majority draw would have been acceptable, but of course it was scored fairly wide for the undefeated A-side money fighter. People like to talk up the post-Vanes Jermell and crow about how vastly improved a fighter he is, but is he? Let's take a closer look, he beat John Jackson, Erickson Lubin and Charles Hatley. The violently KO'd cold by Lee glass jawed Jackson was schooling him up until he got sparked out, but that's what he was brought in for wasn't it? Everyone remembers the KO, but forgot the match leading up to it, which was one sided in Jackson's favor. As far as Hatley goes, who cares, the guy was KO'd in 1 by Lanardo Tyner, whose best win was an ancient Mundine who was coming off of being beaten down and dominated by Joshua Clottey. Hatley was brought in to lose by KO, and lose by KO he did. Lubin, it was far too soon for such a step up in class, and who knew, he had a glass mandible as well. None of these guys are world beaters. Jermell is still the same guy that fought Vanes, no better, no worse. So you can't use the, oh... but Jermell was unseasoned argument here. Stylistically Vanes, like with Lara, would always be an issue for Jermello.

Now onto the clearest loss of Vanes' career, to Andrade, and that was via a non controversial SD, because it could have gone either way as well. Since I scored it 114-113 for Boo Boo, I personally don't think Vanes was robbed, but its the closest anyone has come to beating Andrade yet, especially when you throw in the early knockdown Vanes scored. Like with Lara and Jermell, each and every round, especially in the first half were close and could have been scored in either direction, Andrade seemed to take control midway through with Vanes nicking a round or two late. Now remember, this was the prime beastly version of Boo Boo that everyone in the vicinity of Light Middleweight was supposedly terrified of sharing the ring with, well Vanes took him to the brink, like he did Charlo and Lara. Vanes then went on to dominate Willie Nelson in a similar fashion as Boo Boo softening him up in the process, and yeah I know, Andrade stopped Willie and Vanes didn't, yes... but, Vanes' match was a 10 rounder, Andrade stopped Willie in the 12th. Andrade is better than Vanes, but only slightly, by the thinnest of butt whiskers.

Okay, onto the 800 pound elephant in the room.....

Vanes hasn't stepped in the ring for 2 years, so that clearly should be taken into consideration here, but.... its not like he stayed on the sidelines scarfing down cheeseburgers and fries gorging himself all the way up to 210 pound Heavyweights like those two pre-Canelo repulsive gluttonous disgraces Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and James Kirkland either, Vanes has clearly been keeping himself in great shape and is a well known gymrat constantly sparring and training out of the Glendale Boxing Club in his hometown. So he'll be sharp and ready to rumble, and its not like other guys who've had 1-2 year layoffs haven't gotten right back in the ring and took guys to the brink, after all.... look what Wlad almost did to Joshua after a year and a half layoff, but unlike Wlad, Vanes isn't in his 40's and had to deal with a ton of injuries along with personal and professional strife to bog his mind and body down with. If anything this may be a fresher, sharper, more motivated and rejuvenated Vanes, who quite frankly is fighting at his proper weight, Vanes isn't a tiny guy, he's got 1, maybe 2 inches of a height advantage over GGG, depending on what stats you're reading, and the same reach. Vanes is a big Light Middleweight, that could have fought at 160 his whole career. Also if Brook could hang for 5 rounds, who has a decent chin, then so can Vanes, who probably has a better chin than almost anyone GGG has faced. He was down against Roman and Ouma, but I've seen both of those matches and they were flash knockdowns, in fact he kipped up HBK style after Ouma dropped him with a hook in the 9th, he wasn't even close to being hurt by either.

So if we're to believe that Lara, Charlo, Andrade and by association Hurd, Trout and the Evil Twin, who are at a similar level, could hang with and possibly beat Gennady Golovkin, then shouldn't that same courtesy apply to a guy who should have a win over one of them, and arguably draws against the other two? Vanes is every bit their equal, he's smart, tactical, defensively fairly sound, deceptively slick and an all around solid fighter, who's never decisively been outclassed in any match he's participated in. And remember, this is a fresh as a daisy Vanes, who probably needed a rest, fighting an old, decrepit shell of Gennady Golovkin, one that struggled with a fighter in Canelo Alvarez, who with all due respect, performed just as well, maybe even slightly less impressively than Vanes did against Lara.

If anyone has ever wanted to see how well GGG would perform against those guys, Vanes is the proverbial measuring stick. So when and if Gennady Golovkin beats Vanes Martirosyan, I want all of the people who said GGG was ducking Lara, Canelo, Andrade, the Charlo's, Hurd, Trout etc. to give the man his props if he defeats the man who is every bit as good and close to evenly matched with the whole lot of them. He's for all intents and purposes, their equal, so treat him like it.

Poor GGG, if many a boxing sage and prophet are to be believed.....

He doesn't know what kind of nightmare he's gotten himself to.

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What Hurd did to Lara, makes me think Golovkin would have stopped him sometime in the last third of the fight.

Serge · Apr 25, 2018

BCS8 said: ↑

GREAT post. Loved reading it You put things into the proper perspective.

Just one bone to pick with you:

https://www.livescience.com/27320-elephants.html

Elephants don't weigh 800lb. A bit more than that
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Little known fact: Elephants get their name from elephant seals and the later are absolutely enormous too.

'They are colossally large in comparison with other pinnipeds, with southern elephant seal bulls typically reaching a length of 5 m (16 ft) and a weight of 3,000 kg (6,600 lb), and are much larger than the adult females (cows), with some exceptionally large males reaching up to 6 m (20 ft) in length and weighing 4,000 kg (8,800 lb); cows typically measure about 3 m (10 ft) and 900 kg (2,000 lb).'

Up to 20ft in length

Look at the size of this mother

https://ibb.co/draCUH

And this

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/2c/b3/992cb37ef7f6ee8fcf834998533b1116.jpg

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BTW, I lied about elephants being named after them because that's what I do

LANCE99 · Apr 25, 2018

IsaL said: ↑

Zero real experience hitting MWs let alone a career MW
Zero real experience being hit by MWs
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So if Errol Spence jr moved to 154 from 147 to face jermell charlo, you'd say pretty much the same thing as here, right?

Any subject on 3G really makes you a damn moron....

Tomato(e) Can · Apr 25, 2018

@IsaL your heart is full of hate, bro. You should watch some Dora the Explorer or something.

IsaL · Apr 25, 2018

PH|LLA said: ↑

Speed and movement (combined with enough pop to keep someone honest) are what troubles Golovkin and Vanes has neither.
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Agreed. Vanes despite being a tough dude, id tailor made for GGG's style. No one from 154-160 is going to be able to outslug GGG, that's one of his greatest assets.

IsaL · Apr 25, 2018

Tomato(e) Can said: ↑

@IsaL your heart is full of hate, bro. You should watch some Dora the Explorer or something.
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I'm not sorry facts hurt your pee wee little fweelings.

Tomato(e) Can · Apr 25, 2018

IsaL said: ↑

I'm not sorry facts hurt your pee wee little fweelings.
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Nah, you didn't hurt my feelings at all, bro. I just see you being tormented day in and day out by Golovkin.

LANCE99 · Apr 25, 2018

Tomato(e) Can said: ↑

Nah, you didn't hurt my feelings at all, bro. I just see you being tormented day in and day out by Golovkin.
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ASSOL is owned by 3g and his fans. Drives his day....

LANCE99 · Apr 25, 2018

Nice write up CST80. I do believe Vanes' inactivity will be a pretty big factor though.

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