The Gracie UFC Conspiracy

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bill super foot Wallace exposes the very first UFC as nothing morre than a publicity stunt to boost the image of BJJ:
     
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  2. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, that video is a pile of ****.

    Ken Shamrock and Jason de Lucia were both experienced grapplers that competed in pancrase and if you want to "hand pick" a guy for Royce Gracie to beat there are a ton of easier options. I mean ffs, Jason and Ken actually submitted Funaki who was exceptional on the ground.

    BJJ was kind of like the atom bomb in the early MMA days and you could pretty much pick any style and they would have lost. On the other hand the Gracies were tamed by a wrestler later on in the form of Sakuraba.
     
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    PIRA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed, some of Wallace's statements are utter BS, not to mention wearing his belt around his neck!

    What was quickly obvious was that Wallace, Kilmeade and Rothrock were some of the worst martial arts commentators ever. Jim Gray was decent.
     
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  4. Greco

    Greco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To an extent, it is true. The Gracies had been doing "The Gracie Challenge" for years in Brazil, but nobody in the States knew about them and the effectiveness of BJJ. They even offered to fight boxing champions like Joe Louis back in the day, though I doubt Louis ever heard of them or the challenge. I think they did hand pick opponents that had good skills sets, but who they believed Royce could beat, cuz they would have had Rickson represent for the family if they thought that Royce would not have been able to handle them. Either way, it was a great spectacle, and gave people an opportunity to see what real fighting was, as opposed to what all the movies were showing at the time.
     
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    St00 New Member Full Member

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    Well Royce fought both these guys at different events.

    The Funaki fights were ''Worked'' and Royce had already beaten up De Lucia in a gym fight .




    Id call that ''hand picked'' but whatever. Ken was a decent grappler, but was more Pro Wrestler than he ever was a submission fighter. He shut Royce down in the Rematch when the BJJ cat was out of the bag
     
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    That begs the question as to who they ought to have been fighting instead of de Lucia and Shamrock, if they were too "easy".
     
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    No one in the audiance would know who any of the guys were. The had no context for who was an ''easy'' fight

    Ken looked big and impressive, but was raw and hadnt trained for the Gi choke Royce caught him with. He could aply submissions well enough as that is what he was taught in Japan.But other fundamentals of grappling like scrambles, transitions and even takedowns were missing from his game. And still were until the day he retired.

    Pancrease was a ''shoot'' wrestling promotion that had some legit fights, but it was rarely real competition, that started happening after UFC 1. Ken didnt win the belt in a sport in Pancrease, he was chosen to be the Champ and ''put over'' by Funaki.

    And De Lucia was a Gracie student...
     
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    Which still begs the question as to who Royce should have faced that was far more dangerous than these guys :rolleyes:
     
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    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I heard back in the day that some Catch Wrestler named Dos Santos or Santos whooped the Patriarch Gracie back in the 30s, and that the next day Gracie came back with is brothers and jumped the guy when he got out of his automobile, beating him with pipes and leaving him crippled.
     
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    Looked into this and it appears to be accurate.:buitre:
     
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    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought it was an interesting story, considering how the Gracies are viewed now days. That story doesn't show any honor at all, it makes that older generation of Gracie seem like thugs.
     
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    richdanahuff Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Regardless of carefully selecting an array of fighting styles to showcase BJJ they also set conditions and rules that favored their style....Shamrock was a good grappler and sort of known in the pro wrestling world and in pancrase but he was unfamiliar with chokes and had no idea how to defend them hence the reason he was selected.....I wrestled and do BJJ but IMO Sambo or Catch Wrestling could easily have been the chosen art had they had a money hungry family who consolidated the training under them. Add chokes to catch wrestling and they can dominate but today the wrestlers are dominating fighting because punishing rides and dominate positioning is better in a fight where punching etc....happens
     
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