The Grand Tradition of the Euro Hype job!!

At least 75% of his fights were C class or worse, so I guess it works to about 30 C class oppenents throughout his career. I dont know much about who ducked who, but I did hear about Ottke staying away from Calzaghe, but if he felt he can truly beat Ottke and wanted props to be given to him, he should of made a deal with these guys that they couldnt refuse, but thats just what I would of done if I was serious about my career and resume.

 

You never heard of them. That's a reflection on you, not anyone else. Now if Calzaghe's resume is so terrible and he's such a fraud, why are you all crying about him "needing" to fight Pavlik to establish his legacy. What possible credit could the great Kelly Pavlik achieve by fighting such a fraud who only ever fought c class opponents?

 

Do you apply the same standard to Jones as regards to Eubank, Benn, Collins and DM? After all, the competition was all over here in Europe around that time.

 

Rafael you forgot what irritates us and insults us the most. Its hyping up an opponent (Kessler) as a great great fighter and therefore once beaten, then he is (Joe) God.

Now Kessler can now go through Pavlik, Miranda, Taylor like nothin. Only Joe can beat him.

This is the Euro trickery.

In saying that, Joe is a very good fighter who was managed impeccably.

 

. . . . well it doesn't work for me.

 

wait you act like calzaghe is 25 years old...he's an old man aswell 36 has an will never be a prime fighting age...a disgrace it is not. we saw the trinidad - jones fight have a carnival effect. it was brought on becuase they were goign to fight after trinidad dealt with some middlewieght called hopkins:roll:

this fight was also going to be when collins couldnt strike the deal.












also about how people laugh at the comment on joe's 'weak opposition' if he fought an american fighter...they are the bums. the super middlewieghts was a euro division. we all knew that. i hated the snobbery of these people when an american poster said that robin reid was a overhyped protected bum...now the posters reason for that was becuase he fought in europe for most of his career,then when he makes it to america he was koed by jeff lacy.

at one point the only U.S. super middle out there was Lindell ****ING Holmes

 

I said in my post that only recently did he step up in competition, and prove himself as a top fighter worth being praised, but you still cant erase damn near 9 years of fighting practically hand picked fighters in your own backyard and defending a dinky WBO belt all that time and not expect some type of backlash for it.

 

He most certainly deserves backlash for it. The likes of Pudwill, McIntyre, Manfredo, Sobot, Salem etc should never have shared a ring with him. He also should of done a hell of a lot more to unify. But why is he criticised for always fighting in his backyard while a lot of American fighters get away with it?

 

and we are not different developed creatures...we know and can tell talent and class as much as the next man/continant.

no brit fan was rooting for lockett...WE KNEW he was goign to lose yet he has this decent record theory that you have suggested.

 

Alot of Americans get away with it because at one time the best fighters were from here, now that isnt the case. I remember watching a HBO special on the Klit brothers a couple years back, they were talking about what made them move from Germany to the states, more specifically California. Wlad said that he always knew America was the mecca of boxing and if he ever wanted to be taken serious in the Heavyweight division, America was the place to be.

Over the last 10 years or so Boxing has become more widespread, where every major country has some stake in boxing, not only is America's economy falling apart, so is the talent in our fighters.

 

tell me a fight when he fought in newbridge....please enlighten me:think

and when you cant take away the fighters record lets criticise the belt he defended.

the WBO super middlewieght title is maybe the most coverted title to date.

thomas hearns,chris eubank,steve collins and guiseppe calzaghe are the ONLY champions give me another belt that has that many elite champs on a belt:good

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You mean like Calzaghe, Klitschko, Kessler, etc. that have proved themselves to be head and shoulders over every American opponent they have faced.

Come on, your view is about 20 years dated. The Euros are the superior fighters today. I am American and I concede this.

For example, there is no American that will be the number one heavy weight in the next 10 years if not ever. That will go to Eastern Euros. That is where the pipe line is. And enough of the bull**** about the best American heavies being in Football and Basketball. Those sports have been around forever and they also require a completely different skill set than boxing.

Look at the facts. Virtually every division over 140 is dominated by Euros.

 

Steve collins elite?:rofl I wouldnt even call Eubank elite, but thats fine. Hearns won other belts in multiple divisions, he is an elite fighter.

Calzaghe fought in Wales plenty of times, how many times did he fight in the states, once against Hopkins just recently right?

Calzaghe might have ATG skills, but his lackluster resume is anything but elite, the fact that he only now fights Hopkins and next Jones, I guess he will take the names on his resume anyway he could get them, well past there prime or not.

 

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very true but they were told this by heavywieght legend max schmeling. reason why is becuase they were personalities. in britain i wouldnt give to squats if there were 2 phd brothers fighting at heavywieght...it would be a interesting thing for trivia but i doubt it would be lapped up and certainly wouldnt help there boxing careers...but it di in the U.S. OH yes . not only where they a rarity they were forgiegn aswell.

also a inferstructure has been set now in euorpe. originally people had to go to the U.S. to get a championship and recognition....but now there are big promotions and good boxing cards in europe. africa now doesnt have to send it's boxers to europe then on to America. it has it's own boxing scene...not like before.

another thing i feel is that traveling is cheaper so fighters dont need to hover round new york.

i personally belive that euros,asians,americans etc are on the same level as each other...but money and tradition makes fighters drawn to the U.S.


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