The great arm puncher's that could knock opponents out

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Foremans son trained just like him.
    https://streamable.com/ubl5s

    What he's doing would be useless if he were an arm puncher. His gloves would simply touch it's target. But because of the shoulder snap, he can leverage that weight shift of his core to create a thudding impact.
    His arms could be twigs and he'd still punch hard.

    Although here, Monks shoulder snap is not nearly of the caliber of his fathers.

    Both Foreman and Marciano are on the far end of the non arm punching side of the punching spectrum. Both with a purists attitude towards core, weight shift, and shoulder snap. Dempsey, Louis, and Tyson are near there too.

    Look at George Foremans shoulder snap:
    https://streamable.com/rrol7

    You can see it through a robe. Scary stuff. And he shifts his natural big frame with the shoulder snap punches. That's his punching style, that's why among other reasons he's special.

    Marciano warms up before the start of the bell with Savold similarly.
    https://streamable.com/skzwx

    You can see the same form of using the weight shift into the shoulder snap punches. With old blurry 1950's cameras from a sky angle, you can still see Rockys freakish shoulder snap on those last two shadow punches before the bell goes off.
     
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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Appreciate your effort in compiling the footage but with all due respect I don't see how any of the clips are particularly illuminating wrt this particular issue. If you watch Foreman's fights, you'll see many, many examples of him punching with far less shoulder snap and weight-transfer than most top punchers. Not a straight up arm puncher (Vitali is much closer to fitting that description) but I strongly disagree with your claim that he is on the far end of the non-arm punching continuum
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Like his Moorer KO I assume you're referring to?
    His straight right on Moorer was a weight shift shoulder snap punch.
    https://streamable.com/nj3o7

    Opposite of an arm punch. Look how his entire bodies momentum goes into the should and into Moorers chin.
    He doesn't turn on the ball of his foot and stick his right out. He swings that right like a baseball bat.

    Look at the impact on Moorers head when the punch connects. Look at how his head shakes.
    You can't do that by moving your arm at the speed that Foreman does without some kind of core shoulder snap.
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    adilson Rodriguez told Angelo Dundee that he blocked one Foreman's punch and it felt like his arm was going to fall off. A moment later George caught him upstairs and it was all over.
     
  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    He steps with the punch but it's not clear to me from watching the footage that Foreman actually captures all of the potential force generated from his lower body and leverages it with any snap of the shoulders. Not just an arm punch but certainly not the antithesis of one--it's definitely a far, far cry from the other examples of shoulder snap that you've referenced in the past. Important to note that Foreman had already stung and softened Moorer up with several hard blows (including another mainly upper-body right) before that ko punch landed.

    The last part of your post seem to infer the presence of the shoulder snap from the impact of the blow, which would be completely circular reasoning.
     
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  6. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Beterbiev

    Its so obvious, even to the nostalgic fans

    Skip to the 3 min mark

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  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    This is a great angle of Golovkins disgusting shoulder snap
    https://streamable.com/r6780

    You can see it even shaking his head from the whiplash of the punch.
    That's the source of elite power.
     
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  8. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foremans ko of Moorer is a perfect example of putting the weight of the body behind the blow. It was a crushing blow because of it. Seemless without exaggeration he transfers his weight into a pile driving ko punch to the point of his opponents chin.
     
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  9. Flash24

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  10. Unforgiven

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    Foreman was careful not to kill anyone.
     
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  11. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Not sure I've seen one (I don't think it should count if it's against someone with a weird, post-prime Jones Jr-esque chin but Foreman-Moorer is the closest I've seen - shoulder is utilised, Foreman used a walking momentum to aid the punch (you can see it better in a slow mo replay from a different angle to the one that is first shown), and, because of the position of Michael relative to Foreman's centre line, he was able to use about 30% hip rotation.

    Foreman most used his hips and a shoulder snap to generate a thud. A lot of the time, he would even spring into it.
    People are not used to throwing punches the way Foreman did because 1. he is a super heavy most often with the size advantage 2. The angle of which the traditional boxer's punches 'lift off' are different.
     
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  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. reznick

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    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman comes first to my mind...but also while he has good technique Sergey Kovalev can hurt people with arm punches...crazy heavy hands. Great modern puncher.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra VIP Member Full Member

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    That's right,...just watch films of him hitting the heavy bag,...he generated incredible power with his whole body....those weren't arm punches.