The great limit of George Foreman

I think you missed the part where he actually put Lyle away. Not even gonna comment on anything else.

 

So which of the 15 points do you find to be factually incorrect?

 

So he put Lyle away .
So what ?
That's a decent performance.
The question asked what held him back from being the ' Greatest '.
Now assuming that you dont think beating Lyle makes anyone the ' Greatest ' you can refer to all my points , listed separately and clearly.

 

And he was probably one of the best ever at cutting off the ring. That's the main reason Ali had to rope-a-dope him, there was nowhere to dance to

 

I think Ali’s dancing days were well behind him by 1974.

 

Yeah, you're right, but he danced a lot in Norton II and I think he planned to dance against George for a bit to tire him out, but George was right on top of him the whole first round, so Ali said "I think I'll have to rope-a-dope this fool" and the rest is history

 

I agree with you he is overated. I don't think it's accurate to say Frazier was washed up though. That is an extreme condition. Though he wasn't at his peak anymore Joe was still probably good enough to be anyone other than Ali and Foreman that night in Jamaica

 

His performance in Manila suggests Joe had more left.

 

You said he "couldn't put Young or Lyle away" you even added in that a "lighter punching Ali did." Found this extremely dishonest and ironic considering Foreman put Lyle down for the count and Ali did via referee stoppage while behind on points.

 

Muhummad Ali and Jimmy Young. In that order. The Young loss convinced him to take 10 years off and become a preacher. Ali ended his championship reign at a time when it seemed like he would dominate for several years.

 

Muhammad Ali stopped him from reaching his true potential. Ali stripped away his aura of invincibility and made him start to second guess himself. He was a somewhat one dimensional monster (at this point in time) who was best served staying true to that one dimension.

If Ali isn't around he is in great shape. Full of confidence and he would have owned that era for mine. He was only 25 when beaten by Ali and at his peak. He would have had another 5-7 good years if things rolled his way. I could see him stopping a young Larry Holmes in 78 and pulverizing the likes of Weaver, Tate and co. He'd be 31 in 1980 and it's not impossible he would put paid to Cooney at 33.

I think he could have built one helluva career if not for Ali.

 

1- He had a great left jab, body attack and controlled range well...all boxing skills.
2-Gassed twice in oppressive heat, gas tank clearly better than someone like a Joshua.
3-It was crude but effective and he had a helluva uppercut which was neither crude or wide swinging.
4-The “mummy” managed to effectively cut of the ring early against Ali forcing him to the ropes and to abandon his original game plan so that’s a total myth.
5-So did Tyson, Dempsey,Frazier and Marciano....where they not great fighters despite of this?
6-See above excepting Marciano.
7-True
8-He did put Lyle away for a 10 count and badly hurt Young. Ali couldn’t hurt Young and Lyle finished on his feet so that’s an asinine comparison. Finished with one of the highest KO % of any heavyweight. His power was huge.
9-Gee the undefeated heavyweight champion who demolished a reigning all time great has an ego, terrible lol
10- Not a great defensive fighter as mentioned by you in point 7.
11-Exposed by a consensus top 2 all time great heavyweight. Climbed off the floor to KO a dangerous primed puncher in Lyle which only exposed how gutsy Foreman actually was.
12-He was outclassed as a 42 year old by the undefeated reigning heavyweight champion (who he also rocked on numerous occasions) in Evander Holyfield, not a cruiserweight.
13-Outboxed as a 44 year old by a Morrison who turned boxer and refused to engage for the only time in his career.
14-Fought nobody of note after landing one punch and ktfo the undefeated reigning heavyweight champion Michael Moorer as a 45 year old, again not a Lt Heavyweight.
15-Who gives a sh1t?? It couldn’t have anything less to do with his qualities as a fighter. Unless you buy into the succubus fairytale on When We Were Kings.

 

When I watch his fights...it’s not really his power that impresses me ..but his physical strength. He’s one of the strongest athletes I’ve ever seen. Shaquille O’Neal... Reggie White and George Foreman . In their respective sports