The Great Trainers & Fighters on Jack Dempsey

Know what you're trying to get across - but again this actually carries no water - it was not Dempsey's best win - Dempsey's last best win was the Willard fight - that's where Dempsey's prime ended really - Dempsey was trying to grind down a good boxer puncher who didn't respect reputations against Sharkey - he didn't have his speed, he was rusty (and probably a little bummed out after losing the title to Tunney), he didn't have his timing right, he didn't have his amazing mobility, he didn't have his youth or vitality, all he really had was his ruggedness and power - luckily he made it count and as ever took advantage of a situation when Sharkey was wingeing not fighting for a split second and - i beleive Sharkey could have gotten up no problem personally but I think he was trying to get Dempsey DQ'd (whether this was because he was starting to not like the punishment he was starting to get to the body is a question only Sharkey could answer - but it was far from Dempsey's best:-(

 

I didn't dismiss the Liston Clay/Ali fights on heresay - exactly the opposite - I dismissed them based on exactly what I saw when I watched it - PS I have a documentary where Harry talks about his visit with Willard to Tyson and Harry actually says to Tyson that it sounded like the murmurings of a bitter old man to be honest (he basically didn't beleive for a second himself) - Tyson himself said that in his opinion - with his experience as a fighter - that the whole thing about bolts and/or plaster of paris etc etc is just preposterous - he said if you held anything like that in your hand you probably break your own hands and also the plaster of paris thing has been disproved again and again - most notably with tests carried out by Cleveland Williams in the 60's - basically Dempsey was throwing punches like few have ever thrown punches in a boxing ring before or since - it was the most brutal savagery I have ever seen in any title fight by far - no one comes close in ferocity - I lent the DVD of the fight to a couple of work friends who are big fight fans but not really historians as such and when they came back to me after viewing it they both said the same thing.....they'd never seen anything like it....no one would be able to beat that guy in history....how could anyone take that kind of savagery....that is by far the most brutal fight I've ever seen etc etc they were telling other people at work...seriously you wouldn't beleive it etc etc

 

watch the film of the Ali-Liston II Phantom Punch fight here: watch particularly at the 4:01 mark that was ridiculous I've never seen such bad acting Liston gets up to an arm and then you can almost feel the puff of wind that blows him back over and then all the ridiculous jumping up and down from Ali just makes it look even more staged - anyone who tells me Liston wasn't faking is either deluded, stupid, lying or all three - that looks more and more like a bad comedy show the more times I watch it - look also on the slow mo - when Liston is up and Jersey Joe dissappears - Ali 'goes after' Sonny but he is clearly missing all of his punches on purpose - the whole thing is a joke

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Now watch the Willard-Dempsey 1st round - do you sense a difference in the feel of the reality of this in comparison with the acting job of the Ali-Liston sham?? And do you get a sense that Jack was holding something in his fist and hitting Jess with it or do you just see Dempsey throw vicious horrible punches which are just smashing Willard all over the place??? In particular the wild overhand right that Dempsey smashes Jess with at the 5:29 mark - that is one of the most brutal shots I've ever seen I think

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Well??....Just for the moment.... I'm asking you (and everyone else with two working eyes)....about the first fight??? Come on McGrain have some balls - it's OK to admit it - you know the 2nd fight was a total joke just like everyone else who's ever seen it - now you tell me how that fight can be used as some kind of argument as to why Ali was so great???