The greatest atg victory by an atg?

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  1. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Both Charles-Burley fights are special considering Charles was virtually a novice going up against one of the best fighters ever.

    Duran-Leonard, as Leonard in his prime is as good as any fighter on film and Duran moved up in weight to best him. I also consider the Barkley win an amazing achievement, even if Barkley is far from great. Same goes for Hearns-Hill.

    Others that haven't been mentioned:

    Fitzsimmons-Corbett.
    Leonard-Hagler.
    Basilio-Robinson.
    Foreman-Moorer, Hopkins-Pascal/Tarver, Moore-Durelle.
     
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  2. Armstrong!

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    Armstrong v Ross for sure. Definitely. Armstrong is #2 on my P4P ATG list while Ross sits comfortably at #12.

    And LaMotta v Robinson is a great shout out as well, but Robinson did avenge that loss five times, one of them with a very brutal finish.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Where do armstrong and ross sit on your atg welterweight list?

    I think it's either this or charles over moore.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    FOTC. :good
     
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  5. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali over Foreman, Duran over Leonard, LaMotta over Robinson, Leonard over Hearns are my picks.

    Ali was a bit too faded and rusty for me to rank FOTC in that tier, but I do think it's the next tier down, without question.
     
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  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good idea! This would be my Top 5 then (taking into account p4p ranking and circumstances of the fight):

    Henry Armstrong (1) - Barney Ross (12)
    Roberto Duran (8) - Sugar Ray Leonard (15)
    Sam Langford (5) - Joe Gans (11)
    Ezzard Charles (6) - Archie Moore (9)
    Harry Greb (3) - Mickey Walker (7)
     
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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali TKO8 George Foreman
     
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  8. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Benny Leonard over Lew Tendler Newspaper W 12 and UD 15.
    Tendler a southpaw which were even more rare than than they are today in boxing gave Leonard all he could handle on their first bout. In the second bout Leonard was the clear winner.
    Tendler is probbly the best of Leonard's chalangers, and would likely have been a champion in any other era.
     
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  9. Vsec

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    Johnson vs Jeffries

    Frazier vs Ali

    Ali vs Foreman

    Duran vs. Leonard

    Leonard vs. Hagler

    Sanchez vs. Gomez
     
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  10. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali vs. Frazier I
     
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  11. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fitz v Dempsey has to be right up there.

    Greb V Tunney (and vice versa were both excellent results)

    Leonard v Hagler was top notch.


    I am thinking that Greb v Tunney probably featured the two highest and best pound for pound fighters, closest to their primes, with great performances from each. Charles v Moore might be close, but i dont think it gets to the same levels.
     
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  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you mean high-ranking ATGs, then Duran over Leonard.


    That one pretty much takes it for me anyway, as maybe the best fight I've ever watched.




    FOTC a close also-ran.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Excellent choices!

    I'm not sure how "prime" moore is considered in the charles fights but there aren't many occasions when two consensus divisional greats take each other on. I have these 1 and 2 at lhw and 8 and 18 p4p I think.

    Divisionally speaking it'd be like louis fighting ali, robinson fighting leonard or greb fighting monzon
     
    lufcrazy, Jun 13, 2011
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  14. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Watch Canzoneri-Chocolate I then, that´s even better. Duran-Leonard I is my number 3, Frazier-Ali I my number 2.



    Thanks.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    For the best fight i've ever seen, I choose something very modern - cotto v margo.
     
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