The greatest BJJ fighter of all time.....

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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  2. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's different ways to define greatest, but he is in the discussion for all of them. I do think Jacare especially would be one modern BJJ fighter who would give him trouble head to head.
     
    Beebs, Mar 22, 2009
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  3. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    royce gracie said that rickson is better than him so that tells you a lot about his BJJ. I've only seen rickson fight twice in MMA against some japanese dude in pride and he dominated him when they got to the ground. Dude is pretty darn good in BJJ.
     
    Vitor Belfort, Mar 22, 2009
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  4. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That Japanese guy wasn't even a fighter...
     
    ufoalf, Mar 22, 2009
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  5. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    he was a wrestler and at the time was considered to be pretty good. Of course his career in MMA didn't show that cuz he lost more fights than he won. But anyways rickson was very calm when he fights. You can tell his stand up suck but when he got his opponent on the ground he made it look easy.
     
    Vitor Belfort, Mar 22, 2009
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  6. Kestrel

    Kestrel Windhover Full Member

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    Rickson would get KO by today's champs.
     
    Kestrel, Mar 23, 2009
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  7. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Rickson Gracie is really Marcelo Garcia in real life.

    It would be insane to think that Garcia is not the greatest BJJ fighter of all time (both Gi or no Gi).

    But wait for people to say "No hes not, he lost to Jacare" lol
     
    chimba, Mar 23, 2009
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  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Not really. Royce is not even in the discussion when ranking the great BJJ practitioners. He's 2nd rate at best.
     
    Sweet Pea, Mar 23, 2009
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  9. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Rickson Gracie. Respect.
     
    sugarngold, Mar 23, 2009
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  10. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roger and Jacare are both better in a gi; pound for pound and absolute. I can see the case for no gi, but those two plus a few gi specialists like Xande are better in a gi.
     
    Beebs, Mar 23, 2009
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  11. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    that second video was just pure domination... he was toying with a guy that looked like he was no beginner..
     
    rusty nails, Mar 23, 2009
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  12. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Anyone thats ever rolled with Rickson, really good BJJ guys like Paulo Filhio (spell check) & every single one of his own family from Helio to Royler all say his BJJ is leagues apart from everyone else.
    Rickson doesnt like the time limits, he prefers the old way were you fight on until someone taps out or no doubt he would still enter the odd tourney, he says that prepares you for real fighting as there is no time on the street, just a winner & loser.... he has a point I guess.
     
    Bill Butcher, Mar 24, 2009
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  13. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually Helio was talking about how he Rickson pads his record.
     
    ufoalf, Mar 24, 2009
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  14. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Well, he is 50.

    Make no mistake, if Rickson got any of todays fighters on the ground, they would do very well not to get submitted.

    The thing I like about Rickson is that he was a good wrestler too & used those skills to always try for the top position, most Gracie`s have **** wrestling & are far too willing to go to their backs, always a vulnerable position in a street/MMA fight no matter how good your bottom game is.
    Rickson understood other arts better than his family members + was just plain better at pure BJJ... whether on the bottom or top.

    He apparently has never been submitted since he got his black belt at 18... thats A LOT of rolling.
     
    Bill Butcher, Mar 24, 2009
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  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Yes, he says that if he himself counted up fights in EVERY form of combat - BJJ, NHB, MMA, street fights, Judo, Sambo, wrestling tourneys etc - as Rickson does then he would have a million fights.

    Doesnt mean Rickson was fighting duds in the way some boxers pad their records... he`s just saying that Ricksons 400 victories werent ALL the result of NHB fights alone or BJJ fights alone..... still ****in impressive, to mix in all that variety of combat & never have your ass handed to you.... I dont care what generation you do it in, thats amazing.
     
    Bill Butcher, Mar 24, 2009
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