The Greatest Defences In Boxing - all suggestions welcome

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Sep 8, 2008.


  1. DINAMITA

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    Check out 4mins 37secs:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzys2JbHvmY

    I saw this fight at the time, but I didn't appreciate, or I had forgotten, the exquisite quality of the defence on show here til it was posted on another thread today - and it is worth noting I am NOT a fan of the guy in question. But quality is quality.

    I ask the ESB - do you have an example of superb defensive work that you think is particularly special?

    I would like to make a Great Defence video, featuring Whitaker, Toney, Hopkins, Mayweather, and more, so any clips or suggestions of instances of great defending would be more than welcome.

    However, for this thread any suggestions that were before the dawn of youtube (Willie Pep etc) would be greatly appreciated too, I just want to know of fights and points in those fights where there was some exceptional defensive work being done.

    So I have my Mayweather clip, but I would like suggestions on one from Whitaker, one from Toney, one from Hopkins, and any others, and suggestions on when and where the best defensive boxers in history done their best work.
     
  2. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    One of my favorites is the 3rd round of the 3rd Ali-Frazier fight when Joe slips about two dozen Ali shots.

    Maybe one shot landed.

    Another one of my favorites was when Qawi stood in front of Holyfield in the first fight and made him miss about 10 shots in a row.

    At work, so I can't browse youtube to look for links.
     
  3. teeto

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    Good idea Pacfan, i'd like to see your vid once you do it. Niccolino Locche is very possibly the best defensive guy ever, in terms of pure upper body movemement that is, was exceptional at blocking bodyshots aswell, which is a rarity.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Check the double ditch on 22 seconds:

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    And the way he ditches jabs at 1.05 is nothing less than spookie.


    But the whole thing is pretty frightening. I don't think he really gets hit in the round, despite the fact that he is mostly standing still with his hands at his waist.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Here's something a little bit different:

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    Foster throws straight shots and just doesn't connect. At all. One or two glance off but nothing clean. Forget standing still, Joe is coming in, all the time. By forty seconds Foster is already pawing with his shots, just pushing them out there, he is in a panic. He only scores with his short punches, and by then, Joe is close.

    I love the first camera angle, very intimate. I used to prefer the Cossell footage, but this is better.
     
  6. joecaldragon

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    Is this Locche?

    Pac I would suggest scowering the Hopkins-Trinidad and Hopkins-Calzaghe fights for examples of B-Hop nullifying good attackers.

    Although he actually has a pretty shabby defence, a good clip for the video would be Cotto with his hands at his sides arrogantly slipping 5 or 6 shots from Margarito around round 4 of their fight. It is flashy and obviously he is nowhere near as good a defensive boxer as Whitaker or someone like that, but it is a good clip showing head movement.

    Tyson had very good head movement as well in his early career.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Sure is.
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    Thanks very much for these McGrain, predictably quality input from yourself.

    Do you have any recent defensive favourites, like in the last 20-25 years?
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Toney and Hopkins would be the obvious choices in addition to Mayweather, who you've already pinpointed. The problem with Hopkins footage is that he is a fighter that nulifies attacks rather than ducks out of them, as has already been said - a challenging subject for your video for sure.
     
  10. teeto

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    You know what i luv about that Locche vid, check it at about 4 min in, the crowd noise i my favourite ever, actually at about 3.45, listen on from there.

    You hit the nail on the head about Hopkins being a problem for the vid McGrain, but i would like to say now that in terms of tactical strategy in a defenive in the interest of defense, B-Hop is great.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, Hopkins is definitely a master.
     
  12. bxrfan

    bxrfan Sizzle Full Member

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    Try to get some Dwight Muhammad Qawi videos. Really underrated in the defensive department.
     
  13. ryan8331

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    toney vs barkley,
    i know he's not the greatest opposition but toney really schooled him,especially on the inside,countering with short hooks and uppercuts beautifully,i can watch this over and over again.at one point toney's circling him,hits him with about 8 jabs and gets nothing in return

    whitaker vs ramirez 2
    awesome upperbody movement,ramirez couldnt hit him if he was swinging a freaking shovel.there are 2 times sweet pea is in the corner and ramirez is unloading but hitting nothing but air then pernell just strolls out after ducking.the last 2 rounds are especially good for footage.

    mayweather vs jesus chavez
    in the later rounds floyd lets him come forward,on the inside he's blocking EVERYTHING and just wrecking him with uppercuts,the punch stats percentages for it were crazy,great countering.
     
  14. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran has some subtle beauties. Against Cuevas just before the first knockdown, Duran is well within range of the Cuevas guns and slips about 5 shots by inches and then lands a right, steps to his right and cracks a left hook. Beautifully done -and the commentators completely missed it. The Moore fight was just a clinic. Duran was reading the shots as if they came with telegrams. Moore was a relative novice, though. In the Barkley fight, he's doing the same throughout. Gil Clancy saw much of it and at one point says "Al, Duran just slipped 6 consecutive punches... what beautiful boxing."

    Considering the serious speed and fluidity at times broken rythym of Leonards offense, the amount of times Duran slipped shots in Montreal was about as good as it gets... and remember, his defense was only an addendum to a chronic offense. Concentrating on defense alone -like a Starling or a Locche, or a Pep or a Whitaker would often do- is simply not as difficult as not getting hit while you are preoccupied with hooking a floating rib or landing a right cross/left hook combination. It's multi-tasking... the shame is that it is often missed by commentators who more attracted to showy stuff. You gotta find it yourself.

    Speaking of Duran-Leonard. Who slips prime Ray Leonard's shots??? Slipping Ramirez's shots or Jirov's shots is comparatively like slipping balloons.
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    Very good post. Duran was better defensively than a guy like Toney, as well as being overall the much better fighter and the better in-fighter as well.