"The Greatest" H2H

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  1. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    When comes to Peak H2H Heavyweight fantasy fight talk, Ali is most often the favoured fighter above all. For good reason too, he had the best hand speed and foot speed, a true warriors heart, an iron chin, godlike reflexes, head movement and defense, a mammoth amount of stamina, as well as pinpoint accuracy and masterful skill with legendary ring intelligence...one could go on.

    This topic concerns a discussion of which boxers have the most realistic chances in their respective peaks against a 1966-67 Ali. Posts should focus upon scenarios where other boxers can beat him, but also where Ali can defeat them. In the poll I tried to include the most frequently considered H2H opponents to make for a possibly well matched fight, I apologise if the selection doesn't cater for all.
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Tyson or Frazier. I think they stand out over the others big time. Dempsey should've made the poll...
     
  3. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    God damn it, I thought about including Dempsey.
    I knew I was bound to spoil the poll, anyway at least he can still be discussed.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    They all have a chance. I would pick Frazier.
     
  5. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Personally I select Tyson, with Frazier as a razor-close second.
     
  6. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Tyson and Frazier. Obvious choices. Don't think Dempsey would beat Ali.

    Joe Louis would win one in a series, probably the 2nd.

    I'd be interested on hearing thoughts on Ali vs Evander though I'd say Ali by decision in a hard-fought, exciting contest.

    I've always thought Holmes would stand the best chance in a 'boxing match' so to speak.
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it's two styles. One being the Tyson, Frazier style of getting low and inside, and the other being the Holmes, Lewis style of using fundamental boxing skills and in Lewis' case reach and power advantages.

    Holmes might have an edge in the jab department, if so he too, could potentially outbox Ali.
     
  8. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Good post VanBoxingFan.
     
  9. CF Gauss

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    I voted for Frazier since he actually beat Ali in 1971.


    I think Joe Louis would also have a very good chance.


    Ali never was able to beat Ken Norton decisively, so he should be mentioned too.



    I don't think Tyson would. Ali is smart enough to survive the first few rounds, and I don't think Tyson has the relentessness, toughness, heart, and determination to to win a prolonged battle.




    Having said all that, I find it confusing that Ali is considered so untouchable in fantasty head-to-heads when he actually lost in real life to Frazier and Norton.

    I think Ali might win with greater probability than almost any other fighter, but beating him is far from impossible. Any fighter presents a threat to another fighter, to paraphrase Angelo Dundee.
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Outside of Frazier, probably Holmes. Tyson matches up well with him stylistically, but I think the mental game and intangibles Ali brought to the table win him that one. Holmes vs Ali might be close to 50/50 in my book.
     
  11. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali would not fight Louis on the ropes.

    Louis handspeed almost as fast as Ali's.

    Louis punches harder than Ali.

    Louis breaks ribs with body shots.

    Ali "rope-a-doping" leads to Ali getting KTFO.
     
  12. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    pointless post. Ali would use his foot speed and movement to stay out of punching range. Prime Ali wouldn't have needed to rope a dope, to be fair your post is **** I don't even know why I'm responding to it other than you tell you to go back to the general.
     
  13. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Lennox would pose big (no pun intended) problems for Ali, because of his size and reach combined with his power and skill. He'd force Ali to fight more aggressively than is customary for him and I don't know how much Ali's power would trouble him.

    A '71 Frazier would always be a problem for Ali, win or lose.

    Out of the fighters listed, Tyson and Marciano would probably pose the least stylistic trouble for him.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Agree.
     
  15. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I'm the only one in ten to vote for Holmes? Seriously?