the greatest journeyman

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  1. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and lets not forget marty jakubowski!!!

    record: 114-7 (33).
     
  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    You're absolutely right. Although he eventually rose above the "journeyman" label, for most of his career, that's exactly what Walcott was. People remember him mostly for his close "loss" to Louis, his series with Ezzard Charles, and his fights with Marciano. But before all that, he was very much a journeyman.

    To me, a classic journeyman are guys like Marion Wilson and Everett "Bigfoot" Martin - guys that provide a test, but only rarely, if ever, beat the next level of fighter. The "journeyman made good" - guys like Braddock, Walcott or Weaver - transcend their status by winning titles and contending.
     
  3. Bigcat

    Bigcat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Heavyweights
    David Jaco..
    Garing Lane..
    Everett Martin..

    They all had at least one day in the sun......

    Jaco got an unlikely win over Razor Ruddock
    Lane beat a live Alex Garcia and dropped Corrie Sanders heavily on the Lewis v McCall 1 undercard..

    Everett Martin was actually the first ever man to put an unbeaten Mike Moorer on the deck before he won the heavyweight title...
     
  4. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure if he'd be classified as a journeyman but Sam McVea and Kid Herman
     
  5. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Harold Weston jr.
    Holly Mimms
     
  7. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree 100% with this post. If whitaker had actually fought camacho, quartey, meldrick taylor, terry norris and kostya tyszu,.There is no way anyone can honestly tell me that he would end up winning all 5 fights.
     
  8. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, i'm just indirectly implying that if whitaker had approxiametly 60 fights between 1985-1999, you would see about 5-8 losses on his overall resume.

    You have to realize that stylistically, all 5 of these guys would give pernell whitaker a very tough fight. Niether one of them are the type that whitaker usually clowns around with. Kostya Tyzu is great against southpaws, meldrick taylor and camacho are extremely quick and athletic and they possess excellent boxing skills. Terry Norris has the reach and power over whitaker, ike quartey would give him a similiar fight to that of the first encounter with buddy mcgirt.
     
  9. thunder06

    thunder06 Active Member Full Member

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    James J Braddock was the greatest journeyman. I also like Micky Ward. Do any of you consider Arturo Gatti a journeyman?
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Virtualy everybody started out their career working as a journeyman in those days. Jack Johnson, Sam Lanngford, Jack Dempsey, Archie Moore. It was the only way you could learn the trade.

    That dose not mean that Walcotts career can be sumarised by saying that he was a journeyman who got lucky. He cleaned out the division prior to facing Louis for the title was a pivotal figure in the division untill he won the title.
     
  11. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    really i thought he was a replacement against louis...but you have more posts than me thus i might be wrong

    but he did beat the best men in his division, though he could be outboxed andf was hittable and his defence flashy as it was and confuzing could be easily turned around by a hook.
     
  12. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    maybe this was common and not a big deal.
     
  13. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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  14. David B

    David B Nazi Russia lies. This is the only truth. Full Member

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  15. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jersey Joe Walcott for me.