The greatest thing about MMA is, that it's a privilege to be a fan.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Jul 31, 2011.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    What I mean is, I'm first and foremost a boxing fan, who only got into MMA in May 2008 (UFC 84 was the first event I ever watched live, hence why I am such a big BJ Penn fan).

    And myself and other Classic Forum posters will tell those of you who aren't into boxing in a big way that in terms of resume, achievement, weight-jumping and h2h abilities, the top 5 fighters ever had all retired by 1965.

    (Sam Langford 1900s/1910s, Harry Greb 1910s/1920s, Henry Armstrong 1930s, Sugar Ray Robinson and Ezzard Charles 1940s/50s).

    IMO, the only fighter who peaked after 1990 who even has a legitimate claim of a top 20 ATG placing is Pernell Whitaker, who was noticeably past his best by around '95/'96.


    In MMA, we saw one of the all-time greats Dan Henderson fight only last night. The GOAT, Fedor, has only declined over the last year or so. And Anderson Silva and Georges St Pierre are still reigning, and BJ Penn and Shogun Rua are still active and relevant.

    Unlike with boxing, we get to see the best fighters ever fighting right now! For me, this is a real thrill, a pleasure, and a privilege. I really sensed we were watching greatness when Hendo was doing his thing last night. This guy was fighting top competition in the late 1990s, and is still doing so right now.

    Good times for all :bbb
     
  2. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    If Henderson was a boxer who would he be?

    Im thinking Hagler
     
  3. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think we are on the arse end of the 1st 'Golden Age' of MMA. Roughly 01, to 11. Before that you could concieveably call it the NHB days

    We are lucky indeed. I look forward to taking my low ****** tolerance to MMA Classic forums in 40 or so years time, telling them bout the good ole days and calling the young whipper snappers ******s

    Well...I think Im doing that now
     
  4. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Im not as optimistic.

    The Golden Age of MMA has already passed. The mere fact that guys like Henderson are still competitive, and even Tito with his win over Bader, Shows quite clearly the gulf in talent and class between the current crop of fighters and fighters from the past.
    Almost all of the talent that came in MMA in years gone by came from professional backgrounds and disciplines. They reached the pinnacle of their sport and then made the move into MMA be it Judo BJJ Muay Thai K-1 etc. That is not the case anymore. This has now led to a dilution of the sport.

    What we are now seeing is the sport evolve into a new type of martial art. Effectively hybrid wrestling Pancrase style but with full strikes and less subs and none of the pageantry that came with Pancrase. For me the sport has taken a step in the wrong direction. Fights are getting worse to watch. Less exciting fights. Less style match ups. Poor judging. And fighters who now HAVE to win fights by any means for fear of being booted out of the only place they have to make a decent living (UFC).

    The stars from yesteryear are getting old. And are not being replaced. Find me a quality heavy of the calibre of Fedor Barnett Nog CC. Even at 205 Rampage Liddell Couture Silva. These men were unique. Their time has passed. But they are not being replaced.
     
  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I truly believe Hendo would have been a dam good boxer. Chins like that simply don't come around that often. He's like the James Toney of MMA with a chin like that. Hendo has VERY heavy hands. His never been a great striker from a boxiing purist perspective. But apart from may be Baroni Couture and Randleman to lesser degree's he's the only wrestler i can think of that's really blended his wrestling and boxing to meld as one style to such great effect.
     
  6. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    Had he been put in a boxing gym rather than a wrestling room as a child he probably would have done very well in boxing because he has the two qualities that serve one best in that sport; huge power and a titanium Chin. He's also a hell of an athlete.
     
  7. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    +1 yea i agree hendo is the man
     
  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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    In my opinion this IS the golden age of MMA...
     
  9. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing

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  10. The Spider

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    I think it's a privilege to be both an MMA fan and a boxing fan. The only downside is it annoys me when people bag either sport.
     
  11. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Couldn't agree more.

    It's half the reason why I hope Jon Jones continues to do what he does, why I loved watching Anderson sub Sonnen in the closing minutes of the fight, why I hope Cain v JDS lives up to the hype. The amazing things that are happening right now are the things that will be talked about for years to come.
     
  12. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are such a pessimistic mma fan and a buzz kill. The sport off mma is no where near past its prime. There's a guy like hendo in boxing , his name is B-Hop. And as for single discipline theory . What modern fighters are doing is edging out the techniques that are bull**** in an mma fight. Like bobing and weaving. a close grip and wrestling stance , simultaneous leg kicks etc.. gsp is the prototype fighter for what you are talking about. He can box and use a jab . he can kick wrestle (do it all).

    And as of late there is a bright future for wrestlers coming into mma. And a new bread of black fighters with wrestling base like these Woodley and overeem's replacement , who competed in the olympics.
     
  13. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    yea i agree it wasnt me.
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Im a realist who goes by the facts. Iv been watching MMA long before i arrived on this board and that was 10 years ago. Iv seen MMA blossom. And iv seen the golden age of the sport with the greats who helped make it. Far as im concerned that is gone.
    You call GSP a prototype. But where's the GSP from 5 years ago? I want to see that GSP. Not this bull**** Greg Jackson safety first version.

    As for new breed of black fighters? Give me a break. Ray Charles wouldn't get excited watching Woodley fight. As for Cormier again big deal. Realistically he's a light heavy with health problems and doesn't really have a style that i find exciting. Id rather watch a janitor mop up **** than watch some of these recent fights in the UFC as they're that boring.

    You can be as optimistic as you like. Me il go by the observable evidence. And right now in my opinion it doesn't look good.
     
  15. The Spider

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    :good