This is basically a thread where I dump my thoughts on certain boxers and make a case for them being the goat. It's basically a research thread for my revamp of the top 100 which I'm working on Criteria (roughly) Résumé (50%) Longevity (15%) Movement of Weights (20%) Achievements (25%)
I believe theres no film on Maxie either. Obviously no power and from what little I've read not too much of a crowd pleaser either. Impressive record though
Greb the GOAT The most incredible résumé in boxing history imo, and I doubt it will ever be beat with the way boxing is going. He virtually dominated both 160 and 175 division in probably the best era ever, top 3 at least. He has 4 wins over top 20/25 pfp fighters by my own list and was only KOed twice in 298 fights. His top 5 wins are imo 1. Gene Tunney 2. Tommy Loughran 3. Mickey Ward 4. Maxie Rosenbloom 5. Tommy Gibbons HMs, Kid Norfolk, Mike Gibbons, Tiger Flowers http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9019 He had 300 fights in 13 years, I personally would count that as ATG longevity because if you put that many rounds in context against that good opposition then not many other could do it Greb's biggest Knock is the lack of footage. He makes my list at no.2
Rosenbloom the Goat He has imo top 3 Longevity ever, he had in 296 fights in 16 years according to Boxrec. in that time he won the LHW title and beat names such as Ted Kid Lewis Tiger Flowers Mickey Walker John Henry Lewis He fought everyone of his era, but he never got the Louis fight he was calling for. My ranking 22
I think you’ve got to put a % that has emphasis on their quality as a fighter. Ring IQ, technical ability, ability to adapt etc; That can also be relative to their era too. I value it a ton if I’ve seen fighters in with all different styles and how they adapt and do with it. I’d put 25% onto this area at least. Even if you don’t value it as much as that it’s a good separator if you have 6-7 close on resume, longevity etc; I also think weight hopping can be overrated on paper especially if it’s just to cherry pick an easy strap or for one fight only. Ultimate domination of one weight can get underrated too. A fighter who reigns as the champion for so long and is dominant probably stopped someone else being great. Archie Moore probably stopped Harold Johnson being one of the Gods for example. Not that Harold wasn’t great - he was.
Thats all fair. I have a completely separate list for skills. But I completely agree with the weight jumping thing. I usually only count it if they dominate that weight
Rosenbloom is very interesting as he has become comical and vastly forgotten and under rated .. the man could fight.
@The Undefeated Lachbuster @roughdiamond what's your verdicts on this? (Obviously Grigoryan and Marciano will be added in later) 1. Sam Langford 2. Harry Greb 3. Muhammad Ali 4. Ezzard Charles 5. Sugar Ray Robinson 6. Benny Leonard 7. Henry Armstrong 8. Archie Moore 9. Joe Gans 10. Mickey Walker 11. Tommy Loughran 12. Ted Kid Lewis 13. Joe Louis 14. Sugar Ray Leonard 15. Terry McGovern 16. Roberto Duran 17. Battling Nelson 18. Packey McFarland 19. Jimmy McLarnin 20. Bob Fitzsimmons 21. Maxie Rosenbloom 22. Tony Canzoneri 23. Jimmy Wilde 24. George Dixon 25. Young Corbett III 26. Gene Tunney 27. Jack Britton 28. Jack Johnson 29. Floyd Mayweather Jr 30. Manny Pacquiao
Idk yet I'm not done, it's a good shout. The list is based on Résumé, Longevity, Achievements and Weight Movement Thinking about it I'd probably have him early 20s, you?
I can see improvement in your list every single time i read it! A few minor points from my perspective -Battling Nelson too high -Louis too low -Kid Lewis too high (used to that one) -Benny Leonard too high -Young Corbett lll too high -Missing Willie Pep Many of these are quite debatable. For an example, i rank Mayweather higher than you, but i can easily see him in the place you put him For note, my top 30 currently goes something like: 1. Greb 2. SRR 3. Louis 4. Charles 5. Langford 6. Armstrong 7. Ali 8. Fitzsimmons 9. Pep 10. Ray Leonard 11. Duran 12. Marciano 13. Tunney 14. Saddler 15. Hagler 16. Moore 17. Ross 18. Mayweather 19. McLarnin 20. B Leonard 21. Gans 22. Walker 23. Foreman 24. LaMotta 25. Loughran 26. Hearns 27. Ambers 28. Canzoneri 29. Britton 30. Welsh
@George Crowcroft. You liked my Twitter post about Lennox Lewis' ego. Your Twitter alluded to the fact that you have a foot fetish. Care to explain yourself.
