The Greats...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, May 21, 2019.


  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cheers for the feedback
    I'm think of moving everyone after 20 down a place then putting Pep at 21.

    Some less than obvious opinions on your own list would be

    Saddler too high
    Moore too low
    Hagler too high

    Welsh is a very interesting case actually, he could make the cut
    Another interesting thing is to see May at 19 but no Pacquiao, I think they should be very close given how intertwined there careers became.
    And do you know if Reznick has the footage of Walcott Louis 1?
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ye it was joke with my mates. I lost a bet that I couldn't take him to the floor in a rugby game a few months ago. I just forgot to change it
     
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    might not wanna mention the Pep ranking to Jel, he ranks Pep at #3 P4P

    Moore's problem in my eyes is that he lost to pretty much all the greatest fighters he went up against:

    -Charles x3
    -Burley x2
    -Marciano x1

    No doubt that the names on his resume are strong, with the likes of Bivins, Maxim, Harold Johnson and a bunch of heavyweight contenders. I just wish he'd stolen a win from Charles or Burley. Really his insane longevity is what keeps him top 20.

    Your point about Pacquiao debunks the notion that Saddler is too high. Saddler beat Pep x3 and is a 2 weight champion

    Btw Pacman is at 47. I favor Mayweather's dominance over Pac, as well as, of course, he's the one that won their fight.

    That seems like a question you should take up with Reznick lol. I've seen footage of Walcott vs Louis 1 in his montage but I'm pretty certain that he doesn't have the full fight. If you work up the courage to ask him, see if he has the clip of Louis saying "We are on God's side" as well. Been looking for that everywhere

    Link to your twitter? If you don't mind, ofc
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's fair enough, especially on the Saddler Pep thing I completely overlooked that. Moore did indeed lose the best he fought, He lost to Ali as well. Again I can't find it (I don't particularly want to watch it) but the second fight with Charles is listed as a MD and I've read it was much closer than the 1st, he may have a case for a win

    I aksed Reznick for it on the messaging system he hasn't got back to me yet. The more I read into Walcott the more I start to like him.

    My Twitter is GeorgeCrowcrof4 (GeorgeCrowcroft4 was taken)
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Could I convince you to add Battling Levinsky or Jack Dillon to that list

    Edit: Also i think Gibbons should be higher. Gibbons had beaten Greb x2 in the past and was an undefeated 49-0-4 monster when Greb finally beat him
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably, it doesn't really matter tho as he's still number 2 on my list

    Edit: I could see Gibbons being higher, in fact I'd probably agree with it. After reading that I'll be reading more into him tbh
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    The rendition (+10)

    21. Willie Pep
    22. Maxie Rosenbloom
    23. Tony Canzoneri
    24. Jimmy Wilde
    25. George Dixon
    26. Young Corbett III
    27. Gene Tunney
    28. Jack Britton
    29. Jack Johnson
    30. Floyd Mayweather Jr

    31. Manny Pacquiao
    32. Charley Burley
    33. Evander Holyfield
    34. Sandy Saddler
    35. Jose Napoles
    36. Emile Griffith
    37. Marvin Hagler
    38. Carlos Monzon
    39. Fighting Harada
    40. Tommy Hearns
     
  8. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Finally, someone who also has Harada in their top 50! I've always thought he was criminally underrated

    Napoles is a bit too high IMO. I rate Sanchez above him. Also Tunney and Hagler a touch too low
     
  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Slapsie Maxie Rosenbloom was World Light-Heavyweight Boxing Champion from 1930 to 1934. He was the busiest title holder in ring history, fighting 106 times during his four-and-a-half-year reign—the equivalent of fighting one bout every 15 days! (obviously numerous non-title bouts)

    Rosenbloom decisioned World Champion Jimmy Slattery to win the Light-Heavyweight title on June 25, 1930. He lost the crown to Bob Olin by decision on November 16, 1934.

    Journalist Damon Runyon, writing about Rosenbloom’s colorful persona and unique open glove style of boxing, dubbed him Slapsie Maxie, a nickname that followed him throughout his boxing career. Upon retirement from the ring, Rosenbloom’s sharp wit and broken syntax brought him new success in motion pictures. He appeared in nearly 100 films during his post-boxing career.

    His professional boxing record, which began in 1923 and closed in 1939: 299 bouts—won 223 (19 KOs), lost 42, drew 32, 2 no-contests.

    Rosenbloom was elected to the Boxing Hall of Fame in 1972 and to the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1993.
     
  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    @The Undefeated Lachbuster made some good points already. Of course, it's all subjective criteria.

    IMO Ali is not a P4P top 10 fighter (might be unpopular). I tend not to rank heavyweights as high p4p, due to lots of styles becoming dependant on size, power etc. including Ali, who 'abused' his size significantly sometimes.

    Anyway, some points from me:
    1) Maxie Rosenbloom is too high (though he is definitely underrated as you've inferred).
    2) Bob Fitzsimmons is much too low for my (British) tastes. He is top 10 IMO.
    3) definitely could not have Ali over Robinson
    4) Sugar Ray Leonard too high IMO. For me, Duran always ranks over Leonard.
    5) Jimmy Wilde could definitely be higher.
    6) I wouldn't have Johnson in my top 30.
    7) no Willie pep as mentioned

    However, I do like your inclusions of McGovern (very forgotten) and Mickey walker. Wehter Walker is top 10 is debatable, though.

    I don't think you can include Canzoneri and McLarnin without including Barney Ross.

    Good job on the list bro.
     
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  11. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Also, I'm liking the Harada ranking.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    He did beat Lloyd Marshall 2 out of 2 in fairness.
     
  13. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I actually rate Kid Lavigne higher than Battling Nelson.

    Dunno how popular an opinion that is.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    I rated Nelson the #43 lightweight of all time, Lavigne top 15 (From memory). So, yeah, I'd agree with you, there's a huge swathe of daylight between those two and it's in favour of Lavigne. Beats Gans obviously but he lost to him too, and also lost to Welsh, Wolgast, Cross, Britt and McGovern. In other words, every top tier fighter he ever met at the weight. There's every reason to believe Wolgast was better than him isn't there?
     
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