The Guy's Rocky Beats & Those He Doesn't

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  1. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can certainly see the solid case for Frazier here.
    Faster ,bigger,better defence,tougher skin . However I pick Marciano on the basis of his two handed power ,but I would not be betting a cent on the outcome!
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Without making a list, I can see Marciano losing to a lot of men. Even ones who weren’t ATG’s. But to be clear, that doesn’t change my top 10 rating of him. What matters is that he beat the best of his own era, weak or not. And he established a record which more than half a century later has yet to be broken at heavyweight. People often wrongly label his record as being “ padded.” This is a fallacy… a padded record is only achieved when someone purposely hand picks opponents while steering clear of the threats. Marciano beat the best available fighters of his time and you can’t label an entire era as being padded.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even if you made the strongest assumption against him based on his size, you might still expect him to do well against those who came before him.
     
  4. choklab

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    The guy was the size you needed to be to be champion in those days.

    just like the guys now need to be the size they are in order to be a champion now.

    The size a heavyweight is now wouldn’t be possible in earlier eras. They would need to be smaller in order to compete then.
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please do not get him started :lol:
     
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  6. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    After looking at wikipedia's list of heavyweight champions there's at least 25 or 26 I'd favor over Rocky :
    Jeffries
    Johnson
    Willard
    Dempsey
    Tunney
    Louis
    Baer
    Charles. prime
    Walcott, prime
    Liston
    Ali
    Frazier
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Tyson
    Tucker
    Buster Douglas
    Lennox Lewis
    Bowe
    Vitali
    Wlad
    Wilder
    Briggs
    Fury
    Joshua
    Usyk
    some other's I'm 50/50 Holyfield, Norton, Witherspoon.

    Rocky could beat some no doubt, maybe Baer, Tunney, Walcott but he could also get beat up by some other's not mentioned.
    Just my opinion, I agree with Emanuel Steward , Rocky was to small . to slow . and lacked any reach whatsoever.
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Willard? Actually that’s a tough ony
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Tucker and Briggs never beat anybody any good
     
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  9. Malik Shabazz

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    I could certainly see him beating the likes of Dempsey, Pete Rademacher, some of the old timers like John L, and Corbett...I think he struggles mightily against Quarry, that fight is a toss up, and I believe he proves too brutal for Usyk.

    As for the guys that beat him, I have Pattreson, Liston , Jack Johnson, Norton, Tysin, Holmes, Lewis, ibeabuchi, Chris Byrd all beating him. And holyfield too.

    I think young joe Louis and Frazier are both toss ups
     
  10. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd pick both to beat Layne and Lastarza.
     
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  11. Reinhardt

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    Yeah I hesitated on that one but Jess was 6'7' 245 and Rocky doesn't attack like Dempsey.
     
  12. Reinhardt

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    Didn't Tucker go the distance with Tyson? At his best Rocky doesn't get to him
     
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  13. janitor

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    If this assessment is even near to the mark, then how in gods name did nobody ever beat him!
     
  14. choklab

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    Tucker lost to Tyson just like Mitch Green did. It was not a close fight.

    losing to Tyson is not a win.

    Tucker never beat anyone that good.

    Tucker lost to Orlin Norris both times so far as most people are concerned. And Norris had the same reach as Marciano.
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

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    I think he actually beats Johnson. Too much pressure, would win lots of rounds on sheer aggression. Bad style matchup. Against prime Louis, possibly 60:40 in Louis favor.

    He beats Tunney. Cuts off the ring and wears him down with body shots then stops him late. Tunney can't hurt him and wouldn't be able to outwork him enough to get the nod even if it went the distance.

    Jefferies might beat him just by outlasting him with his insane durability and keeping Rocky honest with his own respectable power and pressure. I think when two guys clash with offense oriented styles and a few similar approaches, the larger man usually wins.

    I generally agree that Rocky beats almost anyone under 200 fairly convincingly except perhaps Dempsey and prime Louis. Can't see him losing too many fights pre Liston era.