So you don’t think 200 plus pounders would flatten Marciano? I’m confused because you’ve been preaching this for years. If you don’t think Marciano had good defense you don’t know as much about boxing as you think you do. I don’t mean to offend but you deny facts when presented to you constantly. We have the stats and video you can view for yourself. He was excellent at avoiding getting hit cleanly. As well as parrying and countering. Again there are plenty of fights on film. You can do the counting for yourself. This isn’t even a point I deem worth arguing because you’re opinion on it is literally useless when stats are involved. It’s like saying you don’t think Babe Ruth was a good home run hitter. You can have your opinion but you’d be wrong. once again you miss the point of bringing up Norris. Norris doesn’t have to be a killer. Just able to compete. And he did. It’s also clear he wasn’t nearly as skilled as Marciano. He didn’t have the chin, stamina, defense, power or heart. Yet a moderately skilled man as he was, was able to Compete. And that is the point. Marciano didn’t face the best hitters but I’d wager Walcott and Moore banged just as well as 90 percent of the players today. They were definitely more skilled then anyone today except maybe Usyk. You have zero idea what Marcianos best weight would be with modern weight training and PEDs. None and you presenting that as facts is ridiculous. You can take examples of Holyfield Spinks and Foremam to blow your thought process away. Both competed between both eras and both gained substantial weight to compete in a more modern era of PEDS and weight training. It’s not a skill to gain functional Mass. For all we know Marciano may have been stronger and faster with today’s training but I wouldn’t try to state it as fact as you do. once again your only Argument it height and weight and through out history of boxing there are examples that prove to you some men (you have to be a special animal like the fighters named) of the shorter persuasion can and do compete. Yet here you are arguing otherwise.
I think many modern sized heavies [men over 200lbs,] stop Marciano ,imo some would punch him into helplessness some would inflict facial damage severely enough for fights to be stopped in his opponents favour. Being 200lbs plus though is not enough, they must have ability and not be walking relics like Louis or fat light heavies like Cockell, nor journeymen like Johnny Shkor who left him with a lifetime memento over his eye nor does Humphrey Jackson qualify. I have an average understanding of boxing I think and, unlike yourself do not suffer from ludicrous hero worship.
You have the opposite you’re obsessed with Marciano and that’s just to put him down. Otherwise you don’t comment on much of anything these days. Which is a shame because I know you know a lot of boxing history but choose to waste it on an odd obsession with making sure people know how little you think of Marciano and his opponents. I also gave you a detailed list of those I think who would beat him. That’s odd for a hero worshipper no? I’ve made my case. You’ve made yours I’ll leave it at that.
Yeah you leave it ,until another Marciano thread comes up and you come galloping ,like the Lone Ranger to his defence. My thread has gone 6 pages so far, how do yours do?
Tonto must be hitting the bottle again. Reminds me of that guy Mcvey. He had a tiny dick and bad arguments too. Would often result in him lashing out like a child when he intellectually couldn’t keep up. Have one for me.
Over the last 3 weeks I've made nearly 40 posts on threads unrelated to Marciano. I'm a fan of Marciano, but the nut huggers who swarm like moths around the very mention of his name,[ of which you are the ringleader,] they leave me distinctly unimpressed. You are an immature and childish fan boy who resorts to insults whenever he doesn't get his own way ,your last post being typical of the quality of your input. Bottom line, if you don't like my threads STF off them! It's really that easy. God knows I won't miss you! And please, do make an attempt to grow up a bit. You're embarassing yourself with these puerile remarks.
Plenty of people unfortunately feel obligated to have to correct you on your bull****. You’re a liar and a drunk. If people don’t call you out your lies you get away with wrongfully influencing young boxing fans who don’t know better. Block me if you want but everytime you post bulls **** which is often I will make sure I comment Mcvey. I r tried many times to be kind to you. My Initial response was not aggressive or fanboy like. But you couldn’t accept any other opinion like an adult. Now im gonna call you out every chance I get like so many other posters on here who are all to familiar with the fraud thag you are.
I 'm neither . I'm a truthful person and only drink alcohol twice a week . You do what you want ,I won't block you there's nothing about you that I need to be apprehensive about,you just keep making little childish sexual remarks you've nothing to worry me with, just a sad pathetic potty mouth, like a child discovering his first swear word. Now, with the child dealt with, perhaps we can get back to boxing?
Tucker was 32 and 40-1 when Orlin was robbed against Tucker. Orlin had to beat the guy twice to get a decision over Him! Even the last time Orlin beat Tucker it was still before the WBO deemed Tucker still good enough to fight For their vacant title and even after that, Tucker went 11 rounds with John Ruiz so you can’t really say Tucker was some kind of shambling shell of himself either time Norris beat him! The problem you guys have is Marcianos defence was not “conventional”. Every film there is of Rocky he’s received far less punches than he was landing. And that’s factually accurate to say so. He was nailing everyone more times than he was hit back. It would be untrue to say otherwise because the films are their to view. yes in the 7th defence of his NABF heavyweight title Norris twisted his knee and was unable to continue. The other so called “quit job” was a No contest. He didn’t even lose that fight! Mike Tyson audibly landed a blow after the bell which both decked Orlin illegally and twisted his knee on the fall. It would not have been sensible for Orlin to continue injured when there was probably a legitimate argument to get the win on DQ over a foul from Tyson. McCall would destroy unbeaten 18-0 Bruce Seldon one fight after losing to Norris..and a couple of fights later McCall would score that breakout come from behind win over Damiani. So don’t kid yourself that “Lennox Lewis slayer” Oliver McCall was just some nobody. McCall was a danger man. He was already beating unbeaten guys.
Most don't call others liars, or drunks, or speculate about the size of their *****. I've made a thread about The Brockton Block Buster's chances against the other lineal heavyweight champions.It's currently running at 6 pages and I expressly invited those with differing opinions to my own to participate.Up till now you have shown no interest in participating on this thread ,and made no comments or choices as to whom Rocky beats and whom he is beaten by . All you have done is chosen to make an oblique sniping attack from the shadows and then scuttle away. Do you consider that to be the action of a decent mature man? For the record I began this thread with these words. "Rocky Marciano ,possibly the greatest heavyweight under 200lbs. Apart from Langford and Dempsey,maybe Tunney, I don't give any other Champ that size a 50/50 chance of winning against him." Do these sound like the words of a hater to you? An honest answer would be appreciated. If you have an opinion on the subject of the thread please post it,it would be most welcome , otherwise your opinion becomes rather redundant, not to say inconsequential doesnt it?
Tucker lost a majority dec to Norris in96 tucker was 37 years old and 22lbs over his best weight and he had not been Ring ranked for 4 years. I've never said Marciano had no defence ,just that it was not very good,getting cut in all his major fights and in danger of being tko' d because of that twice ,indicates I am correct. McCall was not Ring ranked, ipso facto he was not a contender. Both Vitali and Tyson were enraged at Norris' lack of heart in their contests with him. Klitschko and Norris, each fighting at his heaviest weight to date, appeared to be feeling each other out when Norris went down from a jab 38 seconds into the first round. The crowd booed and a disgusted Klitschko waved for Norris to get up. He was up at the count of four and did not seem to be hurt. Klitschko came forward and threw a left hook that missed, followed by a right cross that glanced off Norris's shoulder and clipped the back of his head. As Norris was going down, Klitschko threw another right that missed. Once again, the crowd booed and Klitschko motioned for Norris to get up. Norris slowly got to one knee by the count of nine. After the referee reached ten and waved off the fight, Norris, appearing cleared eyed, stood up and walked to his corner. Norris threw a total of four punches and landed none." " The fight would only last one round. Tyson was clearly the aggressor for the fight's first and only round, constantly having Norris on the defensive and throwing several power punches during the round. Norris offered little offense during the round, only landing a few jabs while mostly attempting to avoid trading blows with the stronger Tyson. At the very end of the round, Tyson and Norris were engaged in a clinch. Just after the bell sounded, Tyson landed a left hand that dropped Norris to the mat. As a result, referee Richard Steele deducted two points from Tyson on the judge's official scorecards. Both Norris and Tyson then proceeded to their respective corners, but after the bell rang to signify the start of the second round, Norris remained seated on a stool in his corner as Steele granted him extra time. Norris then notified the official ringside doctor Flip Homansky that he had injured his knee following the fall and as a result, could not continue with the fight, which was stopped and ruled a no-contest. A disappointed Tyson had to be restrained by his corner from confronting Norris. Aftermath Tyson accused Norris of faking his knee injury in order to get out of the fight without recording an official loss and publicly announced his intentions to meet Norris in a rematch in December of that same year. Norris, however, maintained his innocence, stating that he "just went down the wrong." Now I think we have spent far too much time on Norris who is not relevant to a discussion on which heavyweight champions Marciano would beat.So can we now get back to the subject of the thread? I notice you haven't made your own picks, perhaps you will now do so?
Now he thinks getting a cut is a sign of bad defense…wonder what the man thinks of Vitali? Guy must have been a defensive novice. He also thinks McCall at 18 fights was a novice…he would have been a seasoned vet had he been fighting Holmes for a title. Love the consistency.
Getting cut in all your big fights certainly indicates you are no Willie Pep! Joe Louis after their fight called Marciano." just a street brawler," but compared to you ,what would he know? Please point out anywhere I called McCall a novice? What I said was he was not a ranked contender as has been claimed and he wasn't which of course can be easily verified. Glad you happened to stop by, on the subject of my threads or lack of them, can you remind me when you last made a thread? Good to hear from you! Keep all your positive accolades coming. Still waiting for both you and Choklab to actually address the question that is posed in the threads title .Perhaps you will now find the time to make your choices of those Marciano beats ,and those he doesnt?
I already posted my pics but I’ll copy and paste it for you again. to answer the ops question he beats most has trouble with the best of the best boxer punchers. Like Lewis, Liston. I only see one brawler type in Foreman winning over him. The better boxers like Ali and Wlad and Usyk are toss ups. 12 founders id favor them slightly (not all)15 rounds Marciano takes a few. Marciano also takes care of the likes of Holy Frazier and Dempsey. He controlled tempo and had better defense then all of them while having the advantage of having more power in both fists. The only people I see Marciano straight up losing to would be Lewis Liston Tyson and Foreman. Even then he has a chance against them he was that good. I don’t think the likes of Rahman Quarry Norton McCall and other second raters (not an insult but they were) etc were on his level. That seem “fan boy” to you? Or reasonable based on styles, achievement, skills, power, stamina. You may not agree but I’ve laid out my case simply and within reason. Saying “he’s to small” is not a valid argument. Nor is saying he cuts easily imo. Never had a stoppage on cuts it’s unreasonable to believe he would be getting stopped left and Right in fantasy contests based on cuts.