The HARDEST fights for Floyd RIGHT NOW...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Diamond Eye, May 8, 2012.


  1. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    Power isnt everything...Angulo is too slow...Mayweather picks him apart..Cintron showed that simple movement gives Angulo fit...You need to tie up if your opponent has shitty and slow footwork.

    You lost me with that other pointless **** so I'll just leave it at that! (bolded)
     
  2. Concrete

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    Martinez never fought a fighter like Floyd Mayweather in his entire career either. Martinez hasn't fought an opponent as fast as Mayweather as smart as Mayweather or as defensively skilled as Mayweather or as condtioned as Mayweather.

    Mayweather isn't a stiff with no head movement, and he has quick feet to when he wants to move. Mayweather will probably force Martnez to come to him and stalk him and force the counter puncher to be the aggressor like he did with Marquez. Martinez has size but doesn't use his size like that. He relies on being atheltic for his size, more then his size. We know Mayweather can fight inside or outside, counter punch or be the aggressor. But if Martinez is forced to be the aggressor and stalker will he be able to have the same success as when he is able to use movement to back away and then explosd with counters or bombs.
     
  3. Diamond Eye

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    Movement gives him fits...

    Then why did he easily beat Joel Julio who was running all over the ring? On top of that Julio has a little bit of pop.

    Mayweather hasn't shown that much movement in years.

    We can only speculate he can still move that much.

    And the bolded part is relevant because you're making comparisons based on variables that do not pertain to this fight.

    I know Angulo is slow, but he's big, relentless, strong, durable, with great stamina.

    He could easily use his physical strength to push Mayweather against the ropes, and his southpaw stance to deliver powerful shots from unorthadox angles.

    We can only speculate Floyd can keep the fight in the center of the ring, but evidence suggests otherwise.

    And everytime Mayweather goes against the ropes against this type of fighter, he will be in danger of being stopped.

    If you disagree, that's fine.

    But I didn't pick him out of my ass.

    I got good reasons for it. If Angulo was smaller, you'd have a better argument, but there are weight classes for a reason

    And a guy like Angulo despite being slower, will cause a guy like Mayweather a lot more problems than say, Ricky Hatton for example.

    Understand?
     
  4. bald_head_slick

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    My bad man, but BS said here about FMJ gets really annoying.

    Now he "ducked" Margarito? WTF? You mean the same Margarito that lost to prospect Paul Williams while FMJ was fighting the money fights? Margarito threw himself out of the running in the ring. Uncle Bob screwed the fight up outside of the ring. You don't seem to know the difference between facts and Arum fiction.

    WTF does being a southpaw have to do with anything? Every single southpaw has been served. Angulo is a limited easy to hit basic fighter. Would FMJ KO him? Probably not. He would cruise to an EASY UD. See the Baldomir fight.

    I am saying that the best version of him is at 147. He seems to have better legs. Cotto is a belt holder and beat (allegedly ducked) Margarito. How is he "weak"? So if you just want to say bigger guys are a "threat" why not go for the gusto and say the Klits?

    Are you wrong? Horribly so.

    Khan or one of the other current guys at 140 or 147 have the best chance as they have the work rate to beat FMJ. Guys 154 and above are just slinging mud at a wall hoping something sticks.

    Where were you for that BS Pac situation? That clown won a WW belt forcing the champ down to 145. He won a 154 lbs belt from a 147 pounder who magically was placed in a "title fight" with a guy now ranked at 22! WTF? Where are your silly threads on that?
     
  5. Diamond Eye

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    Of course Martinez won't have the same success being the aggressor, but he's long and fast enough to do just enough to make Floyd have to come at him to win some rounds.

    If that the case, he can catch Floyd when he's most vulnerable.

    And even when Martinez plays the role of a stalker, he's patient.

    He won't just rush in. He'll use feints like he always does. He'll eventually time Mayweather and shoot that left straight low.

    Mayweather may win this fight, but it won't be easy. None of the guys I listed will be easy for Mayweather.

    He may win a clear decision with some, but everyone of these guys will land more shots than Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, and Ortiz.
     
  6. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    There is nothing you can tell me to make me think that Angulo will give Mayweather a tough fight.

    He looked lost when Cintron boxed him...You expect me to believe some how he's gonna some how give Mayweather a tough fight??? Give me a break with that ****...Just because he did Julio like doesnt equate to him having success against May.

    Just agree to disagree because there is no way in hell that you're gonna convice me that Angulo has some chance in this fight.:-(
     
  7. Diamond Eye

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    Man, look.

    You can't change my opinion that Mayweather ducked Margarito. I seen the videos and Mayweather should have made the fight after Margarito stopped Cotto.

    It didn't happen.

    Mayweather retired. Margarito was not an easy fight. It wasn't a good risk reward ratio. It's a fight where Mayweather would literaly have to run for his life.

    No man wants to be in that position.

    And Khan is NO PROBLEM. Man, please stop with Khan. Khan is predictable, weak, and would get knocked out.

    It would be Mayweather's first KO in years.

    That's an EASY fight for Mayweather. Khan is a straight foward, monotonous combinations style of fighter.

    He is too weak to beat Floyd.

    The only guys with the SKILLS and ABILITY to beat Floyd are Pacquaio and Martinez....and possibly Lara.

    Angulo and Williams have the STYLE and the SIZE. At some point, size matters.
     
  8. Concrete

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    It would be a real tough fight for Mayweather.

    Mayweather won't attempt to hurt or knock out Martinez he will look to be defensive and score pts and win rds. His over hand right will be there as will his body shots and uppercuts on the inside. Martinez on the other hand doens't fight in a way which he can win rds off Mayweather off volume or pressure. He fights in a way which he gets his off by landing clean counters. Its going to be harder for Martinez to win rds off Mayweather then it is for Mayweather to win rds off him. But Martinez is more cappable of hurting Mayweather which is going to be the road he has to take to try and win the fight.
     
  9. Diamond Eye

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    Either way, I think we can all agree that it would be a great fight.

    Personally, I'd rather see him fight Pacquaio because I think they owe the public that fight, but if Mayweather wants to test himself against Martinez...

    I'm all for it.

    But Khan... I don't care to see that fight. I just can't think of anything that Khan can do.

    He'll throw a lot of useless speed flurries, but other than that...he'll just eat counters, and Mayweather will use a similiar style to Klitschko when he fought Haye.

    He'll deliver slow, steady pressure, from the center of the ring.
     
  10. bald_head_slick

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    What are you talking about? Mayweather was out 2007-2009. He left BEFORE Margarito was anyone. Margarito stayed someone for a whole 6 months before cheating and getting KTFO. Mayweather then went on to beat the man who beat the man. Margarito can't seem to keep himself in a position to fight. There is no need to duck him. He is a non-factor.

    Position? What is this silliness? He is a pro fighter and has been a pro fighter all his damned life. "That position" is the only position the man knows. That is unless you consider every fight in his career "easy" up until this point.

    I didn't say Khan could win. I said he has a better chance cosidering work rate and being a REASONABLE opponent. Nobody else has been a problem either.

    How in the hell is Khan "straight forward", but Angulo or Kirkland aren't? Those guys are ultra basic.

    To your last point which makes this whole discussion silly, at some point size matters. So why in the hell are you talking about Martinez? A man who has trouble making 160? Confine the discussion to REASONABLE opponents.

    Pac doesn't have a chance. He knows it too. That is why he is running.
     
  11. Concrete

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    There are a lot of things that factor into that though. Like Mayweather and Arum had bad blood between each other so negociating any fight with Arum would be a problem. Arum always had the possibility of a Cotto-Margarito triology and could make tons of money off that since he promoted both fighters and all 3 fights would have generated strong PPVs. Arum held the majority of the top WWs in the division meaning he could force Mayweather to have to rejoin his stable in order to get a fight with one of his guys or squeeze him out. Now Mayweather could have fought Mosley but he just lost to Cotto and lost all his appeal and Paul Williams recently lost to Quintana and moved up. He just made 40+mil fight Oscar and Hatton and would have more then likely fought Oscar again in the rematch for another 20mil over any other fighter which would have gotten him like 12mil.
     
  12. Diamond Eye

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    Damn right Angulo is basic.

    But Floyd can't hurt Angulo. He can't even make him blink. The only shot he has is keeping it in the center of the ring, and potshotting to victory.

    If he goes against the ropes, that SOUTHPAW left uppercut and left straight are gonna get in his ass.

    A southpaw DOES matter against Floyd's style of defense.

    Khan may not be as straight foward as Angulo, but he's small and weak and will run from Floyd.

    He can't outbox him. He will just run.

    As far as Margarito is concerned, we can just agree to disagree. That's a dead subject. You can't change my opinion, I can't change yours. It's irrelevant at this point.

    I also disagree that Pac is running. I think Mayweather is being unreasonable. He goes out of his way to ruin Pacquaio's reputation with no evidence, tells the entire world that he's defenitely going to fight, and then it never happens.

    And it's always because of additional demands from Mayweather.

    I don't care if you agree with his stance or not, he's the one that's not tryin to make the fight.

    PERIOD.

    I think Pacquaio has a shot if he can freeze Floyd in the corner. Floyd can't afford to get stuck on the ropes against Pacquaio and again his southpaw stance comes into play.

    Pacquaio ain't some light hitter.

    This is the guy that made Mosley run for his life after getting hit with one solid shot.

    Alvarez beat the **** outta Mosley with everything he had and Mosley kept coming back for more.

    Pacquaio has that real power. Not that bull**** pushing power.

    And he got speed and he's a dangerous counterpuncher.

    In theory, yes Mayweather can keep the fight in the center of the ring and use lateral movement and pivots and make it a boring one sided fight, but that's THEORY.

    If he's gonna talk all that ****, he needs to fight.

    I mean, I wanna see the fight. Don't you? Would you rather see Khan who MARK MY WORDS will get STOPPED.

    He will RUN from Floyd.
     
  13. Diamond Eye

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    And this thread is getting side tracked again.

    But I disagree about Khan. I don't see him being a threat at all.

    Certainly not above all the others that I mentioned.
     
  14. Diamond Eye

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    The problem with discussing Floyd is that none of this **** will ever happen.

    He won't fight one person on my list.

    So what's the point? He's gonna fight Khan.

    He's gonna make Khan expend energy by running all over the place, and he's gonna slowly push him, and then eventually when Khan runs out of gas, Mayweather will KO him.

    Against Paul Williams and Angulo, Floyd has to literaly run for his life to win.

    Pacquaio and Martinez he can't afford to make any mistakes with...and probably Lara too.

    Khan...

    That's easy money. And that's likely who Floyd will fight next.
     
  15. FinalBELL

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    Seriously Angulo?:rasta The only fighters I want to see May fighting Is Pac, Martinez, or Khan. In that order. Those three fighters would present Mayweather his toughest challenge.