But when the going got real, quit or show balls miles past your prime tough (Holmes) Dundee retired him....
Carmen Basilio had the mob come down on him hard and told them to go **** themselves. A much harder, and prouder man then LaMotta.
But he did not, and won! Ali was a hard man, a great of boxing, it is just I do not think he should be on this particular thread, because he has a 'L retirement' to his name (all be it miles past his best). This thread should be devoted to the hardest of hard men, and although he was mighty great, and hard, he was not one of the .0000001% hardest ever.
Really? I didnt know that, your right. Tough guy. It must be mentioned as well that LaMotta wasnt much of a man outside the ring just a warrior inside but I suppose most people know about that.
But he didn't and I'd bet the house he would've stepped out for the 15th if Futch had've let Frazier go out as well. As for hard men Wayne McCullough is one of the toughest men who ever fought imo.
He's a fair nomination. Gatti fought the wrong fight but survive and gallantly kept going. He should've boxer with Ward more but he didn't. The way Gatti took those body shots and came back. Robinson seemed more trouble and passive afterwards.
No he didn't. He said it felt like he was dieing. He wasn't going to quit. Ali belongs in the thread. It's just his talent overshadows his hardness. But what he went through to overcome the odds and win his goals was tremendous. Post exile Ali didn't have that defense and technical aspects so he relied more on his toughness.
He may very well have come out but he was actually begging to him to end the fight. Still his win against Foreman and all the beatings he took in the three fights with Frazier make up for it, he was a courageous boxer.
Here's a new one into the mix - Jeff 'Hitman' Harding. Harding didn't have an enormous amount of ability, and may not be known by many, but he won the world light heavy title on pure heart via last round stoppage against England's Dennis Andries. Jeff Harding's trilogy with England's Dennis Andries is much underrated. Few harder man with bigger hearts ever entered a boxing ring than Jeff 'Hitman' Harding.
Getting in the ring in the state he was in surely showed just how big his balls were. Thyroid medication, suffering the onset of Parkinsons, well past his best and still he stepped in with an all time great in his prime. Surely you jest to say he doesnt belong here