The Hardest Puncher in the World

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by edward morbius, Apr 1, 2012.


  1. MadcapMaxie

    MadcapMaxie Guest

    If this was in relation to what I said I was just going on what other boxers who faced Tyson and/or Lewis said, since really this is how we can seperate elite punchers. Then again some boxers tend to say the go who managed to knock me the **** out didnt hit as hard as this other guy who i whooped. IIRC Holmes said Butterbean hit harder than Tyson...then again Holmes is infamous for being a bitter ******* towards anyone who was in the lime light more than him.
     
  2. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but i think that "even" a guy like Shavers was such a good puncher , in opposed 2 hard puncher , more due 2 prowess like timing , technique (of delivering punches) than brute force . I believe that his brute force was above average 4 a man his size but became exaggerated over time on a h2h sense (disregarding size) .
    So if Shavers belongs here , and he may well do , so do Sanders and of course Tua & McCall .
    Both Tua & McCall r underrated defensively but also
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    as punchers .
    No mistake here , edward morbius' insisting , in fact , 2 still not include them only proves / solidiffies this .
     
  3. MadcapMaxie

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    No doubt Tua and McCall were top level bangers but the distinction, at least for me, is that like unlike Shavers they weren't universally regarded as the hardest punchers like Shavers was. Everybody who faced Shavers said he hit the hardest. Despite this Shavers came up in a pretty weak era when all the great fighters were on the opposite side of the hill, while Tua and McCall came up in a stronger era that was chock full of punchers.
     
  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    can't argue against anything in this post :deal
     
  5. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both Walcott and Moore were stopped by several men, but Sheppard is not among them.

    Makes one wonder at the value of such quotes.

    It also should be noted that a "quote" depends on the accuracy of the transcriber, who might garble what the man said.

    And there is what I would call the "prettiest girl" factor. I am certain there are many men who have scads of ex-girlfriends all of whom can accurately quote him as saying "You are the prettiest girl I ever saw."

    These quotes are interesting, but I think they should be viewed with at least some skepticism.
     
  6. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All this depends on how one views the term hardest puncher.

    Some see it as an abstraction of potential hitting power.

    Others (like myself) view it in terms of effective punching power. The man who most consistently ko's his opponents impresses me as the hardest puncher. Skill at delivering punches, as well as factors such as the stamina to carry power into the later rounds, are simply intrinsic factors.

    Otherwise it just becomes a pointless abstraction.

    "X hit harder than anyone but couldn't deliver his punches so he didn't ko anyone."
     
  7. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you're looking for the best punchers, not the hardest punchers?
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Larry Holmes was not on the downside of any hill when he faced Shavers.

    There. Never say never.
     
  9. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is okay with me.

    The best punchers can be evaluated.

    The "hardest" I think becomes abstract guesswork.
     
  10. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Bonecrusher proved more devastating power in the Witherspoon rematch, than Cooney ever did.
     
  11. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good. One.
     
  12. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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    You have got to be trolling

    His "surreal speed" was nothing if not slightly above average, his flurries were sloppy and uncoordinated
    Stop trying to prop up an average fighter into a god of power punching

    Your Klitlicking agenda is all too obvious
     
  13. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That punch harder than heavyweights? No so take your negative ass attitude out of this thread
     
  14. Foreman Hook

    Foreman Hook ☆☆☆ G$ora ☆☆☆ Full Member

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    Lenny Lion Lewis, hardest puncher on teh muthaphukkin' planet, 1992-2003.:rasta
     
  15. MadcapMaxie

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    Mos def. like i mentioned Larry Holmes said Butterbean hit harder than Tyson, Abe Simon said Walcott hit him the hardest but Joe Louis said he didn't hit hard at all he just couldn't see the punches coming.

    However, Sheppard not being able to stop Walcott and Moore is more likely due to him having stamina issues, very crude, bad finsher like Shavers (etc) who himself doesn't have any meaningful scalp in his resume bar Norton. And well you can look at his track record vs punchers.

    Also Ted Lowry said Moore hit harder than Marciano so except for Shavers who everyone called the hardest puncher it's very hard to tell.