The Hardest Punchers of the 90s Ranked from Quotes

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    This post is gonna be a lot of logical fallacy and is gonna be easy to poke holes in, I'm simply going off of what certain fighters have said through the years, with attention to consistency.


    Getting statements out of the way:

    -Larry Holmes and pretty much any man that fought him claims Earnie Shavers as the hardest puncher:
    "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis"
    -Larry Holmes

    "Hardest he's ever been hit: Earnie Shavers. The ground came up and met me. That's all I remember."
    -Ron Lyle

    "The baddest motherf*cker I fought was Earnie Shavers. That motherf*cker can make July into June and made me jump over the motherf*ckin' moon. That motherf*cker hit so hard, he'll bring back tomorow. He hit me so hard, I thought I was on the corner smoking cigarette and eating a spam sandwich. That's how hard that motherf*cker hit."
    -James Tillis (if anybody questions the validity of this claim by saying Tillis never said Shavers hit the "hardest", i will laugh)

    -Holyfield claims Foreman hit him the hardest
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    -Ray Mercer claims Morrison hit him the hardest
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    -Mercer ALSO claims that Lewis hits harder than Wlad:
    http://mid-south-boxing.2299399.n4....hers-Knockout-Percentages-1977-td4663174.html

    -Foreman claims Ron Lyle hit him the hardest (This is one of the things he's actually consistent on so ill take it)
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    -Byrd states that Wlad hit harder than Vitali
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    -Marvis Frazier states that Tyson hit him the hardest (kinda obvious)
    http://mid-south-boxing.2299399.n4....hers-Knockout-Percentages-1977-td4663174.html

    -Leroy Caldwell (getting desperate here), loosely claims that Foreman hit harder than Lyle, though says Shavers hits the hardest
    https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/who-george-foreman-earnie/87251


    Based on all of this, we can come to the (loose) conclusion that:

    Shavers (due to everyone) > Foreman (due to Caldwell) > Lyle (due to Foreman) > Morrison (due to Mercer) > Lewis (due to Mercer) > Wladimir (due to Byrd) > Vitali

    Tyson (due to Frazier) > Holmes (still obvious)

    Foreman (due to Holyfield) > Tyson, though Tyson has no definitive place on this list.


    Though i know hes a forum favorite, i could not find any definitive quotes on David Tua. I couldn't find any definitive quote comparing Tyson to the Klitschkos, Lewis, etc, minus one from Freddie Roach saying the Klitschkos hit harder, but it isn't a good source. There's also a loose statement from Foreman implying that Cooney hit harder than Morrison. Lewis was asked multiple times about the punchers he faced but he always dodges the questions, so that created a divide.

    Seems that the Klitschkos are overrated, and that Morrison is underrated.
     
  2. Seamus

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    I heard Foreman say that Lou Savarese hit him the hardest. Factor that one in, too.
     
  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Foreman is inconsistent in the moment alot, and on a few other things, but he most always says Lyle hit the hardest. Both in the interview from Hanza's Cleveland Williams vid to the tweet I posted

    Also gonna point this out again:

     
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  4. Berlenbach

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    Foreman also said Cleveland Williams was one of the three hardest punchers he faced (based on sparring)

    Leroy Caldwell said Frank Bruno's power was on a par with that of Foreman, Shavers and Williams.
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Luckily for me, Williams didn't fight in the 90s

    Bruno's power is legitimate, a look at his resume would tell you that, but I didn't know it was THAT legitimate. I might need to do more research
     
  6. he grant

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    Shavers was from the 70’s and early 80’s. That aside nice post
     
  7. Sting like a bean

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    Interesting Tweet from George. Years ago (I wish I could remember where) he claimed Ali and Holyfield hit about equally hard. I'm highly confident Lewis hit harder than Klitschko (though not by a lot) and I'd say there's a ~50% chance Morrison actually hit harder than Lewis. (On that last one, something tells me that if there were any way it could actually be measured and confirmed, the result would surprise me no matter what it turned out to be, if that makes any sense.)
     
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  8. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Shaver's prime was during that period (same as Lyle), but they actually fought during the 90s as well. Shavers himself making a mediocre comeback
     
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  9. Berlenbach

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    It does highlight the problem with relying on quotes from someone like Foreman, who contradicts himself constantly. The other problem with 'hardest puncher I faced' comments is boxers often have a tendency to name guys they beat to build themselves up.
     
  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    I can see that, honestly. Holy never had great power, just a good workrate to swarm.

    I get that. Same with me and Liston/Foreman
     
  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Integrity is an important thing to keep in mind when chosing who to quote, I agree. I'd personally trust a quote from Louis rather than, say, Holmes
     
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  12. Sting like a bean

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    That doesn't really surprise me about Bruno. He's the only fighter I can recall seriously rocking Tyson with a single punch out of the blue. I don't think even Ruddock or Lewis managed that. (Then again, I've never quite been able to bring myself to pay close unwavering attention to Tyson-Lewis, much like Ali-Holmes.)
     
  13. he grant

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    No doubt that Bruno was a massive puncher. He could really crack.
     
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  14. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    He's almost like a more well-managed Bob Satterfield
     
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  15. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lyle actually fought till he was 54! I tried finding his last fights on YouTube a couple years ago, but nothing turned up.