The Hardest Punchers of the 90s Ranked from Quotes

I'm Mike Tython, leth talk about bothing.

 

As been said time and time again in this thread (and many others before this): power isn't the same as ability to KO someone. It helps of course, but there are quite a few factors coming into play as speed, timing, accuracy, ability to put punches together etc.

Here you can find a brief summary of a study of Bruno's power:

https://www.connectsavannah.com/savannah/the-true-force-of-a-boxers-punch/Content?oid=2133328

And here's the study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1419171/

 

KO percentage and more importantly calibre of opponent KO'd is not the best gauge? Okay Einstein.

 

Do you believe then that Ali was a harder puncher than Bruno? Because Ali is many, many miles ahead in terms of quality opponents KO'd. As is Holmes, as is Holy.

I'd have Bruno as a substantially harder puncher than any of them. And Smith. And Ruddock. And Tua. And, of course, Shavers. Even though these guys have many less KO's over top opposition. Shavers's best KO was over an old Norton, but the guys that faced him still have him as the hardest puncher they faced. Are they also "Einsteins"?

 

Have you tried a sport like soccer? Because clearly boxing is way to hard to you to understand. But don't feel bad. 99 percent of the people here are casual boxing fans or just people who hero worship certain fighters for obvious reasons.

 

Talking about punching power is fun. It really is all that matters.

 

I will address things after your first paragraph when I have time.
For now, many care if a fighter develops extra power from cheating, both ethically & in terms of seeing what their true capacity is.
If someone tests positive for PEDs. then they likely did more than dabble & it gives an unfair benefit.
It is irrational & naive to assume only those who get caught use.
It is also irrational & overly cynical + unfair to assume guys use without good evidence.
I have lifted for years, read much & talked to many re: natural capacity, what they & others do.
This website shows what latrge scale studies prove is the natural potential for gains. http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.htmlhttp://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html
Considering there true heights & bone structures, Joshua is at most near the muscular size of Mike Tyson-who himself is just near his theoretical limit.
Neither showed unusually quick gains after they already were bulky, so while Joshua COULD well have used, there is no reason to assume a man of his size could not get there naturally.

Some fighters lie or have agendas. Maybe Briggs too.
Often though they do not know, especially since when KOed they cannot gauge force well, but absorbing a prolonged beating is very hurtful & memorable.

 

Um you know Tommy Morrison never had any quick gains in weight in his career either. You know Morrison still admitted to using steroids? If he never mentioned he took steroids then nobody would ever have known. Anthony Joshua was lighter as a 20 plus year amateur just like Wladmir Klitschko was. Wlad was 220 when he turned pro and continued to add muscle mass until he reached 240 or so odd pounds.

In any case most fighters have agendas when asked who punched them the hardest. If they don't like a certain fighter they aren't going to give them praise. They may just answer questions in a way to please boxing fans. They may not remember who punched them the hardest and will just give any answer that pops into their head. If a fighter is knocked out cold by 1 punch by lets say Tyson, Lewis, Foreman, and Bowe do you honestly think they can judge which punch was harder?

 

I will name two fighters from the 30s/40s who do very well based on opponent testimony.

Max Baer and Curtis Sheppard.

Like with Ernie Shavers, everybody who comes up against these guys, gives jaw dropping accounts of their power!

 

I will address things after your first paragraph when I have time.
For now, many care if a fighter develops extra power from cheating, both ethically & in terms of seeing what their true capacity is.
If someone tests positive for PEDs. then they likely did more than dabble & it gives an unfair benefit.
It is irrational & naive to assume only those who get caught use.
It is also irrational & overly cynical + unfair to assume guys use without good evidence.
I have lifted for years, read much & talked to many re: natural capacity, what they & others do.
This website shows what latrge scale studies prove is the natural potential for gains. http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html
Considering there true heights & bone structures, Joshua is at most near the muscular size of Mike Tyson-who himself is just near his theoretical limit.

Oh, & I notice your contentious & disrespectful exchanges with others.
I said nothing vicious or insulting to you, & will tolerate none from you.
You calling me a "casual boxing fan" is you starting this disrespect-you both have zero indication of how serious a boxing fan I am, & the description is intended as disparaging & folks here often pair it with other disparaging juvenile condescension.

It is unlikely you would act like this in real life; why go the route of initiating or even perpetuating hateful or even disparaging exchanges? This is what the least evolved folks do anonymously online, & it brings everything down.

 

See my last response to you Farooq.
As for this one, I essentially said that many fighters have those agendas.
Though I do not see the evidence that it is most-though it is possible.
What you wrote about them not remembering is exactly what I just wrote to you.
That & other factors, emotional, other factors such as varying punch resistance, how they happened to get clipped etc can have guys just honestly mistaken about who hit them the hardest.

About Morrison? I do not know what you mean that he "still" admitted to using steroids.
But sure, we would not have known if he did not confess.
That does not contradict what I said. Anyone might be guilty, but unless there is good reason & evidence to think they even likely are, we do not know & you gotta also consider how they also may well have been natural.
I have seen some accused of being on drugs who were not, & even though I never was the muscular size of these guys, some assumed I was using.

Regarding Wlad & Joshua, adding muscle after being young &/or an amateur is usual & not suspicious.
If they added it too quickly-at least when already strong-or reached a level beyond what the chart I hyperlinked describes...Then we can say they likely used.

But if they did not, then while we cannot prove a negative, or show it is very unlikely they used...
They very well may never have even touched a PED.
Someone like Tyson, big when 13, poor & with no access to anything, clearly did not need drugs to reach his size.

 

Cute, First off kid when did I type Mike Tyson was on PED's? Second off I stated Morrison knocked out Tillis in 1 round. I didn't mention if he was on PED's or not. You or some other casual boxing fan did. That i why I brought up Joshua and Wlad being on PED's as well and nobody uses that as a excuse to diminish their punching power. 3rd I was clearely agreeing with you when you typed some boxers might not remember who punched them the hardest. 4th what does any of this have to do with Shavers? What does any of this have to do with casual fans saying Shavers is the hardest punching heavyweight of all time? I can't think of any fighter who faced, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Shavers, David Tua, Wladimir Klitschko ect .

Even if one person did face all of the guys mentioned who says each of these guys landed their best punches on them. For example Mike Tyson couldn't knock out Buster Douglas. Yet Holyfield did. Does that mean Holyfield is a bigger puncher. Henry Cooper knocked down Ali and Foreman didn't does that mean Cooper is a harder puncher than Foreman? Let's go further. Give me the round where Foreman landed his best punch/punches on Ali's jaw. Foreman never landed flush on Ali's chin so Ali wouldn't have any clue to how hard Foreman's best punches where. Tyson never laned flush against Dougllas so Douglas wouldn't know how hard Tyson's best punches were.

 

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Well said, entaowed. I hate posters like farooq who are obnoxious to everyone else from behind the keyboard. He accuses everyone of being a 'casual boxing fan' but only really gets involved in threads like 'who hits harder? Wilder or AJ'. I exaggarate but only just. His views aren't exactly broad in their range.

Utter knob cheese.

 

Seems silly to include Shavers just because he happened to have a few fights in the 90s. He certainly wasn't the hardest puncher during that period and did nothing to prove otherwise.