The Hardest Punching Middleweights (In My Opinion)

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  1. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Although not the greatest boxer Edison Miranda had some serious power at middleweight. My top 10 would be:

    1. Bob Fitzsimmons
    2. Julian Jackson
    3. Stanley Ketchel
    4. Gerald McCellan
    5. Nigel Benn
    6. Joe Choynski (believe he weighted 160 a few times)
    7. John Mugabi
    8. GGG
    9. Thomas Hearns
    10. Eduardo Lausse
     
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  2. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    Can anyone tell me how good my list is? I need some feedback.
     
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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Don't change your opinion merely because it doesn't fit someone else's, only consider if someo\ne actually makes a good argument
     
  4. Clinton

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    He wasn't a great fighter, but there was a middleweight named John LoCicero from the 80s that could crack
     
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    I think that Stanley Ketchel has to be in the argument.

    Just look at his results against common opponents with Burns and Johnson.
     
  6. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    One of the ways I change my opinion is by listening to other people's opinion, and I'm quite surprised that a lot of people in this forum seem to like my list of middleweight punchers. But at reddit, it's really a different story. Reddit is filled with a lot of Toxic people. I even heard that one of the redditor said that Hearns should rank higher than JJ which we all know is straight out BS.

    But a lot redditor said that I put Hagler, Monzon and Benn to low..
     
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  7. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    Not gonna rank any of them, but I'm just gonna list every notable middleweight puncher now:

    - Julian Jackson
    - Gerald McClellan
    - Eugene Hart
    - Thomas Hearns
    - John Mugabi
    - Nigel Benn
    - Bennie Briscoe
    - David Lemiux
    - Merqui Sosa
    - GGG
    - Eduardo Lausse
    - Rodrigo Valdez
    - Carlos Monzon
    - Sugar Ray Robinson
    - Florentino Fernandez
    - Marvin Hagler
    - Rubin Carter
    - Freddie Steele
    - Lindell Holmes
    - Juan Roldan
    - Rocky Graziano
    - Iran Barkley
    - RJJ
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Holstak, Zale?
     
  9. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its a good list but lacks depth and ignores the old timers.....Lausse for example has alot of KO's but his opposition is questionable....John the Beat Mugabi was a puncher no question and a phenom but his career was limited. Its hard to dismiss the old timers if you have read about them and watched video of them
     
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  10. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Al Holstak could be one for sure
     
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  11. Tonto62

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    The problem with Mr Bamford is he was often a super middle or light heavy and he really ko'd only domestic level middles whilst weighing160lbs and the better UK middles usually went the distance with him probably because their boxing ability kept them out of harm's way.
     
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  12. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    A very hard puncher at the weight was Aaron Tiger Wade.
    Fitz
    Langford
    Jackson
    Ketchel
    McClellan
    Robinson
    Lausse
    Fernandez
    Graziano
    Steele
    Hostak
    Garcia
    Hart
    Nesmith
    McCoy
    Golovkin
    Benn
    Carter
    Burley
    Valdez
     
  13. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes, but you can't simply negate them as 'lesser' than American comp, or anywhere else for that matter, for a couple of reason...

    1st, they weren't, especially in different Era's, as we know some Eras overall better than others.

    2cd, and perhaps the most important reason - ALL Fighters, Everywhere, met Club Fighters and lower Contenders before meeting Top Contenders and Champions - that is just simply the way it goes, Everywhere, not everybody get a Leon Spinks crack at a Title with a handful of fights.

    3rd, the U.S.A, wasn't the Sole Hub of TOP Fighters alone you know, and everywhere else was sub par, not at all true... 'Generally' Speaking, the US had better comp, for sheer numbers of participants, but the TOP Fighters from the Other LEADING Nations were equal or better in some cases.

    we know from the successes of the Few Non American Fighters who went Stateside and Proved it, i.e Robert Villemain, so from all these Villemain type imports that also gages Top Fighters back at home against them.

    Boxing is not like other Sports, you cant just say Champions are the Best when, so many others never got the same opportunities.

    the Business and Invested Corruption of Boxing makes it impossible for Equal Opportunity.

    all fighters fought journeymen & club fighters working their way to Top Men, INCLUDING American Fighters.
     
  14. Tonto62

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    When a man racks up a series of ko's against middling /domestic opposition ,I look to see if,as he advances up the ladder he can emulate these stoppages against better opposition.If he can I recognize him as a bona fide puncher ,as one not only possessing power, but the ability to land it on men of class and stop them.Jock did not do that .To embrace men who racked up impressive ko's streaks without taking into account the quality of their victims takes us down the Lamar Clark road. I don't think the nationality of any boxer has any bearing whatsover on his punching ability ,and so I don't see the relevance of your referring to it.
    32 of his opponents had losing records
    9 were debutees
    Many of these fights would be deemed unconscionable mismatches today.
    Name the three best ko wins he had at middleweight?
     
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  15. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    though No One made any claim to their Nationality as to KO power or advancing ability...

    the 'Locational' reference, refers to the validity of TOP Men, irrespective of where they come from.

    you always divert from what people say McVey and try sending things in an unstated direction, your like a school boy who huffs & puffs baring false witness to avoid the Strap.

    these Boxing sites & discussions are always ruined by the childish attitudes of Win at all costs, or 'Owned' or Ruined him, rather than just talk among decent reasonably intelligent Human Beings respectfully. I have never wanted to 'Owned' anybody in my life, I was born from a period where that thinking just never entered the mind of most people.

    but since the inception of Social Media it is far too common place, mostly among the under 40 years or age people, and regretfully a very, very shameful British Way, Generally speaking.