The Harsh Reality: Heavyweight Is A Turgid, Squalid, Lugubrious, Wretched Cesspit Of A Division.

JeremyCorbyn · Apr 1, 2018

FrankinDallas said: ↑

STFU you damn dirty commie. Go back to Moscow, where you had your honeymoon.
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Watch your mouth, one call to Putin and it's over for you.

Lazar · Apr 1, 2018

Interesting view on AJ post Wlad fight.

Luis Fernando · Apr 1, 2018

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Alexander Povetkin
Sasha The Great, ain't so great without all that meldonium pumping through his veins is he? Povetkin's power is vastly overrated, sure he had a string of impressive KO's throughout his career, but face the facts, most of them are against opponents on the glass jawed side, every time he gets in with good to elite opposition with decent chins like Chambers, Chagaev, Wach, Wlad, he goes the distance, he even manages to go the distance against guys he should have KO'd like Hammer, Rudenko, Firtha and yes, even blown up Cruiserweight Huck (who he last to), but he couldn't even drop most of them. His recent KO ratio was helped immensely because of his PED's, face the facts, while they may not have been illegal at the time, they still enhanced his performance. When your opponent is tired and can barely stand up, and lack the reflexes to block or slip shots and you're still sharp as a combination punching tack, that's a dangerous recipe for a violent KO victory, and that in a nutshell is what happened with Takam and Charr, Perez was just out of shape and is completely average in every way. Sure Sasha has the skills, against smaller HW's, but as proven against Wlad, he struggles with giants with good jabs and a decent reach advantage, which will severely limit his future success in the sport in the proverbial Land Of The Giants. Add to that, his reflexes are starting to fail him, his old pre-PED middling stamina has now not shockingly returned, and he's nearing 40. He was boring to begin with, and the only reason to tune into his fights, has been removed by VADA. From here on out, his failing chin, poor stamina and age will be a massive liability, his days are numbered as an elite.

Luis Ortiz
King Kong in my opinion is probably one of if not the most skilled guy at Heavyweight aside from Tyson Fury, yes, some of that skill can be attributed to Ortiz being a southpaw, which gives him an advantage over less skilled fighters, but its a little more complicated than that. His control of range and distance, his footwork, his use of angles, punch placement, and counter punching skills makes him a cut above the rest. He's the real deal, and its a pity that he got tied up with the PED controversies, of his own making and that he's been such an avoided fighter, while old, he's a young old guy, he doesn't have years of wear and tear on him, the match against Wilder was his first genuine war. He can still make some noise, but time's a wasting, he needs to milk the brilliant performance against Wilder for all its worth, because like with Povetkin, the sand in the hourglass is running out regardless, his reflexes and speed will soon start to fade, and his power will be his only asset.

A cursory glance at the guys bringing up the rear.

David Haye
A non factor until he beats Bellew, and if he looks bad doing it, will remain so.

Dillian Whyte
Thoroughly average stamina and skill level, if in with a guy with a good chin, can be drawn into a war, his chin isn't great, and his punching power overrated. I like Lucas Browne a lot, but let's be honest here, a half dead Chagaev outboxed him and dropped him, I figured his chin would be sturdy enough to stand up to Whyte's power, but he showed up out of shape the early cut that blinded him, and the fact that he got completely out of position and practically gave Whyte the perfect devastating angle to land the KO shot, it really doesn't mean anything. The fact remains, Helenius went the distance with him, as did Chisora both in the winter of their respective careers. He's a top journeyman, nothing more. That is the real Dillian Whyte, the Browne performance flattered him immensely. He will always lose to the elite.

Kubrat Pulev
Immensely skilled, top tier talent, probably one of if not the best jab in the division, also lacks motivation and the heart to be elite. Sure, he can pick up a Euro strap here and there, but his age an lack of punching power, will catch up with him again sooner or later, more than likely the next time he steps up. Plus, he's boring as whale **** to watch.

Jarrell Miller
Big Baby is fun to watch and is a hell of an inside fighter, with guys who are willing to stand and trade with him in a dog fight, and that happen to have bad enough stamina, that his plodding pressure fighting style can wear them down and corner them along the ropes. But put him in there with a guy with decent movement, good stamina, a on point jab, and he'll look like a lost puppy dog, he'll be reduced to a HW version of Cletus Seldin, also the punch resistance might not be all that stellar, he got rocked hard by Gerald Washington, which is a cause for concern, Miller isn't ready for prime time, and probably never will be.

Adam Kownacki
A fat repulsive gelatinous yet relentless blob. He gets hit clean way to much to be a factor, a vicious KO in the making, and add to that, he's gross and no one wants to see him. A little lateral movement and a good jab, and he's toast. Don't get too attached to him.

Bryant Jennings
Will always give the top tier a few problems, until they figure him out, he won't be able to KO them, and his chin will let him down when he starts to gas, its doubtful he can spoil his way to a belt, and add to that, his style isn't fun to watch.

Hughie Fury
He's not as talented as his big cousin, not fun to watch either, is high risk low reward for guys with no power, but his lack of power makes fighting a KO artist high risk low reward for him. He's stuck in a bind isn't he? He's basically the HW version of a pain in the ass featherfisted Brit Bantamweight that will always lose to a heavier handed somewhat skilled opponent. Has some of the talent of Tyson, with none of the charisma, a hard dull sell for even the most hardcore.

Andy Ruiz Jr.
Quite short for a Heavyweight, and way too chubby to truly be a factor in the division, which is sad, because he's actually more entertaining to watch and far more talented than most of the lardasses I've already mentioned. He did well against Parker, so he could beat guys in and around his level.

Dominic Breazeale
The will and heart is strong with Dominic, but the chin isn't able to match it. He's been down or hurt in almost all of his recent fights, most of them against just alright opponents, his limitations are fairly obvious to anyone who isn't a AJ fanboy, several violent KO losses await him.

The Future Prospects (One Big Meh)
Lawrence Okolie - God awful, horrid unpleasant style, near unwatchable.
Filip Hrgovic - He's okay but nothing special, not much power, okay skills
Ivan Dychko - Very talented, but not all that exciting, and is packing glass.
Joe Joyce - Is very talented, but I fear he's British level.
Tony Yoka - Glass jawed fraud, will be KO'd before stepping up.
Sergey Kuzmin - Unpleasant to look at, overrated chubby grotesque bore.
Simon Kean - One big who cares, okay skills, but looks glass jawed.
Nathan Gorman - Fat, sloppy looking physically and in the ring, a KO waiting to happen.
Oleksandr Teslenko - Tall, heavy hands decent, but nothing special.
Vlad Sirenko - Cool name, but that's about it.
Rostislav Plechko - Totally overrated, thoroughly average.
Ali Eren Demirezen - He's just okay.
Daniel Dubois - Absolute crap.

So yay!!!! The future looks bright.

The Heavyweight Division hasn't suddenly gotten great again, because boring Wlad has retired, its actually gotten worse, because one bore has been replaced by several bores. Its all a fabricated illusion based on hopes and dreams of a return to the Halcyon days of the money division, but hardcore facts undermine and upend that delusional narrative that's being fed to you by the Boxing media. Its still just as bad as its always been, only with a new cast of characters that are destined to disappoint and disillusion the army of casuals that buy the hype and come along with it.

So keep the hope alive, and keep on dreaming about those... glory days. Because we're not in a renaissance now or for the foreseeable future. Too bad, so sad, boo hoo.

And there's a reason for that, because Heavyweight is now the land of gargantuan monstrosities, that lack a great deal of the skill level, speed, agility and talent of the Heavies of yesteryear, its become a carnival sideshow, a freak show, if you truly want the good old days to return, they're already here, and they're existing exactly one division south, its called Cruiserweight, check it out, you might like it, and like the old school Heavies, they're putting on classics year in and year out, that sadly no one is watching.

Its truly a pity Usyk, Briedis and Gassiev will eventually have to move up, the division north is beneath them.

Look on the bright side, we'll always have old Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Wlad, Vitali, Ali, Frazier and Foreman fights on Youtube!!!!

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There'll never ever be a better and a more successful heavyweight shorter than 6 foot 4 inches than Alexander Povetkin in the future in my opinion. He's not overrated! It's just that nobody else his size can have any more success than him in today's giant era of heavyweights. Enjoy him while he is still around because, no other future heavyweight will be shorter than 6 foot 4 inches and be a number 1 heavyweight in the world (and Povetkin came the closest to becoming one, without being one).

Babality · Apr 1, 2018

As much as you hate AJ he put on the best heavyweight fight we've seen in years and went for the KO against Wlad. He's also fought the best opponents and in a much shorter time than bum killer Wilder. The reason Wilder has **** fights that ultimately end up in an exciting KO win for him is because that's all he can do. He was getting outboxed by some bums and Ortiz, and his only way out was a KO. If he could have outboxed them maybe it'd be different. You give praise to Fury and call his performance brilliant but that wasn't brilliant, it was an awful fight.

With that said, I do enjoy watching Wilder and Joshua's last performances have been boring as hell. You might be right about him and he's done being exciting after that Wlad bomb. I also hope Fury comes back strong because any fan of boxing should want the best fighters to be around.

Mynydd · Apr 1, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

A fat repulsive gelatinous yet relentless blob. He gets hit clean way to much to be a factor, a vicious KO in the making, and add to that, he's gross and no one wants to see him.
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Serge · Apr 1, 2018

The HW division is a wasteland littered with talentless bums who are totally devoid of the merest semblance of skill. Half the top 10 of this woeful era comprises of Herman Munster looking uncoordinated big oafs who took up the sport late and transitioned from other sports. AJ, Donkeypotamus, Whyte, Breazeale, and Miller are all late starters and with the exception of AJ have all transitioned from other sports. Donkey and Breazeale were footballers, and Whyte and Miller were kickboxers.

Even Whyte's best win Browne is just another big lump who took up the sport very late (IIRC he was 30) and had transitioned from another sport.

AJ won his first world title of another fellow huge lump who took up the sport late and literally hadn't beaten anyone with a pulse sans his freak injury win over Glaskov.

Donkey won his world title off a fellow late starter who was a footballer.

The combined skill level of all the aforementioned is very poor indeed. AJ is the best in that regard but his skill level is still average.

Luis Ortiz's best win is another late starter who transitioned from another sport too.

The only prospects out there I like and see even a modicum of potential in are Joe Joyce (another late starter and huge lump), Hrgovic, and Dychko. That's why I'm done with the HW division. In fact, I'm done with boxing as a whole. **** this ****** sport for good.

Sayonara

BCS8 · Apr 1, 2018

Have to agree with CST80.

So much for the glowing post-Klitschko future that people were predicting. Tyson Fury was a small ray of hope but he's too busy ruining all you can eat buffets to bother with a little thing like boxing. AJ is pretty good, but I fear that CST may be right: he got the big win over Wlad and he's going to play it safe from here on out. Povetkin (who I like a lot) is starting to creak at the seams, notwithstanding his KO of Price. Wilder is fun but I fear that fighting Luis "Gramps" Ortiz gave him such a fright that he may be back to his bum diet. Who's left? Parker? Ortiz? Slim pickings.

Now, the CRUISERWEIGHT division is a whole other kettle of fish. I can't remember a weight class being so stacked.

CST80 · Apr 1, 2018

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Never gonna happen, but maybe a weight limit for heavyweights would make the division worth watching again. That would force lazy-ass talents like Fury to get in shape and stop the bodybuilders too - both types, in very different ways, are contributing to HWs becoming too big to box. This would make it more about skill too, rather than size. And if a boxer can't make weight... tough. Go do something else.

But I agree with the premise of this thread: the division has become a freak show and I can't see that changing...
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Couldn't agree more, all the anorexic twinks that weigh 85 and 90 pounds get screwed, they have no division willing to welcome them in, so the same should apply to anyone over 250, with a small exception made for guys who are physical specimens who have a low body fat percentage that happen to exceed that limit healthily.

CST80 · Apr 1, 2018

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CST80 would make a fantastic hater. I wonder how much he would charge Dino for lessons?

The division is at a low point. I predicted a post Wlad wasteland until the up and coming batch of contenders, which I view are good mature.

The division is a box of chocolates. Sometimes you'll get an epic KO ( Like Povetkin over Price ), other times a surprise like Wilder in many fights, and other times poop, like a highly anticipated title fight that turns out to be a dud.

If you want to see sprited matches between big men, watch the cruiserweights. They won't disappoint!

Marketing wise, having two of the top three guys in the USA and the UK helps. But after Wilder vs. Joshua, then what? Yep. A 2-year wait.
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What do you mean "would" make?

Seamus · Apr 1, 2018

The division is horrible and shallow far more often than not in its history. This is nothing new. If you think not, check out some of the guy ranked in the latter half of the Top Ten during the Halcyon Days of the 1970's.

CST80 · Apr 1, 2018

Luis Fernando said: ↑

There'll never ever be a better and a more successful heavyweight shorter than 6 foot 4 inches than Alexander Povetkin in the future in my opinion. He's not overrated! It's just that nobody else his size can have any more success than him in today's giant era of heavyweights. Enjoy him while he is still around because, no other future heavyweight will be shorter than 6 foot 4 inches and be a number 1 heavyweight in the world (and Povetkin came the closest to becoming one, without being one).
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Usyk and Gassiev will have a little something to say about that.

DONT B SCARED · Apr 1, 2018

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Mate, you're clearly hurt by the proceedings of today. The buildup and the expectations were immense. I too expected Joseph to go out on his shield rather than lose a decision. In round 11 and 12 I was scratching my head.

To be honest, I think the business side of boxing has taken the priority. Let's simplify it occam's razor if you will - if JP really wanted to win he would have taken some risks. He must have known by round 10 that he needed a KO. That being assumed, where was the urgency? There was none. This can only be explained two ways, he was scared or he didn't want to win. Now I've seen a Samoan guy get up after being hit with a solid steel chair and reign down hell, which may not mean anything, except that I didn't see fear in JP and I don't think he was scared. That leaves one conclusion, which is that he was there to collect his paycheck knowing that any other course of action would be bad for him in the long run.

Take that as you will. You're obviously smart enough to make your own conclusions.
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Of course he wanted to win and sure if he knew he was behind he should have taken more risks in those last couple of rounds but a lot of people me included had it way closer and some even had him winning.

here2stay · Apr 1, 2018

Usyk and Gassiev can’t move up fast enough. Looking forward to those two getting it on in a few weeks and then going north to take out the trash.

Flamazide · Apr 1, 2018

You do know Meldonium doesn't do anything right?

here2stay · Apr 1, 2018

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Usyk and Gassiev will have a little something to say about that.
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You know me, I’m a Povetkin fan and have been for a long time... but Usyk would take him to school. Gassiev would most likely stop him late.

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