The "Haye is to small and not a natural HW" excuse that is starting to gather pace

well said boxed ears...

 

Bad comparison. Past 200lb it's diminishing returns.

 

Explain someone like Holyfield then or ancient Foreman/Holmes. Physiques get better with time lol, you have no idea what you are talking about. Lewis and Wlad have about 5 stoppage losses between them against average sized heavyweight's, actually just average heavyweights.

 

Yup,and they all get their asses handed to them by the Klitschkos because they're too small.

As for the person that said ALi would toy with the Klitschkos. How can you say that when Ali NEVER fought anyon with their attrributes.

Name ONE 245 lbs athlete who could fight that Ali came up against.

Just ONE

 

so your coming round to the fact hayes gonna win.at least thats a start.and if you think haye wont be vitali either you know **** about boxing

 

Name me 2 big heavyweights that Holyfield beat!

Bowe was a good size.Not as big as the Klischkos but pretty big.
Outside of that...who?
Tyson was the same weight more or less.
So was Moorer,so was Toney,so was Byrd,Mercer wasnt much bigger,Ruiz wasnt a big heavyweight.Neithe was Oquendo

Outside of Bowe,the only other big top level heavyweight that Holyfield fought was Lewis and we saw what happened there,nd Bowe beat Evander twice too.

...Then theres Valuev,the same guy Haye beat one handed.

And yes,OBVIOUSLY physiques get better with better training methods.LIKE IN EVERY OTHER SPORT! Guys get,bigger,stronger etc.

Show me one guy who looked like the Klitschkos or Lewis in the 70s!

 

klitschko would not beat mayweather

 

:deal If a wannabe like Haye was getting into Wlad's head and Wlad got destroyed by b fighters like Brewster, Puritty, knocked down multiple times vs a prime, one dimensional Peter, and full time golfer Sanders, I'm sure Ali would be case not even the Dr. would be able to handle. Foreman was considered a beast not so much because of a size, but because of his strength and power that easily rivaled Wlads. Brewster, Sanders, and Peter would all get owned by Marciano, Louis, Tyson, or Ali.

 

Cruiser weight is 175-2000 for the guy who said, all the weights are 7 pounds between weights. it went up from 190 to 200 pounds, because there was no place for skinny 200 pound 6 foot + fighters to fight, when all the rest out weighed them by 30 or more pounds....just a few years ago most were 220-225, not the 230-250 of today.

Back in the day Lt Heavy was 160-175...and nothing said you had to be at max weight. Billy Conn liked fighting at @ 168...which was for a while his best weight.....


Ali was very tall (Terrel was freaky tall for the time) for the time and had freeky long reach like the inch or so shorter Liston...both had @ 81 inch reachs.
The time of 6 foot 2-3, shooting guards, 6'5" guards, 6'6"-7" forwards and big 6' 8"-9" power forwards and centers of 6"-10'-11' when Wilt the Stilt was so huge at 7'.


Touch of Sleep came in at 212 vs Wlad....and that was considered real skinny....



Everyone talks about height with out bringing in reach....and I see reach as span plus height....so there is some 4 inches of reach and three inches of height for Wlad....7 inches total.

When or if two fighters launch at the same time the man with a inch reach will hit first and take some of the steam off the smaller reach's impact.
Two inchs become more when we are talking about jabs vs a hook.
Three or four inches suddenly make up for being 'slower'.

 

They are right at the top, it is what it is, no matter how much people may dislike them, they are kicking ass in dominate fashion in their late age, by the time tyson, ali and holyfeid were the klitz ages they were getting their asses kicked, tyson by bums...

 

How many of those guys are all time greats or hofers, dont worry i'll wait...

 

Actually the guy said "MOST" division, read more carefully before commenting, every one knows its a between middle and super-middle and also the gap between light heavy and cruiser, thats why I said "MOST" those are only the two exceptions...

 

They were the Valuevs, Dimitrenkos, Ray Austins of their time, not the Wlads or Vitalis.